Gun Control Idea I just heard...

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Originally Posted by Zundfolge

Then lets do away with juvenile law completely. If you commit a crime when you're 11 you go to the same jail as a 40 year old.

For that matter if a child is in a stolen car with their parent (who stole it) they get charged as an accessory.

I mean if we're going to pretend that there's no difference between children and adults lets go ahead and lower the voting age to birth.

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On the other hand, if we didn't have this arbitrary "get out of jail free" card at exactly 18YO (or is it 21, IDK), which is a system that actually benefits kids more the closer to adulthood they are (inverse to what you would desire); they wouldn't be having to try juveniles as adults all the freaking time.

Maybe a system that, I don't know, utilizes common sense to craft appropriate punishments on a case-by-case basis with transfers from juvenile to adult detention when age appropriate would, I don't know, actually make sense.

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Originally Posted by OxArt

On the other hand, if we didn't have this arbitrary "get out of jail free" card at exactly 18YO (or is it 21, IDK)...

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Yet on the other other hand, most of the time when older children commit heinous crimes they are tried and punished as adults, so the problem is really moot.


The ultimate truth is that trying to tweak the law to stop mass shootings is a fools errand. All you can do is trample the rights of the majority while trying to prevent the actions of a super tiny minority (there are more legitimate transgender people than there are mass shooters) ... and even then you'll fail.

Basing law on black swan events like mass shooters is like outlawing airplanes because they might get knocked out of the sky by meteorites. And when it all comes down to it, the real goal is to use these low probability events to push laws down the peoples' throats that we'd never go for without the stench of "crisis".



Yes, I'm saying that the wisest, most moral and best course of action that government can take in the face of mass shootings is ABSO-FUCKING-LUTELY NOTHING.

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Originally Posted by Zundfolge

Yet on the other other hand, most of the time when older children commit heinous crimes they are tried and punished as adults, so the problem is really moot.


The ultimate truth is that trying to tweak the law to stop mass shootings is a fools errand. All you can do is trample the rights of the majority while trying to prevent the actions of a super tiny minority (there are more legitimate transgender people than there are mass shooters) ... and even then you'll fail.

Basing law on black swan events like mass shooters is like outlawing airplanes because they might get knocked out of the sky by meteorites. And when it all comes down to it, the real goal is to use these low probability events to push laws down the peoples' throats that we'd never go for without the stench of "crisis".



Yes, I'm saying that the wisest, most moral and best course of action that government can take in the face of mass shootings is ABSO-FUCKING-LUTELY NOTHING.

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I wasn't referring to mass shootings. I was referring to your inference that the juvie system works well for kids. The implications of your response is what you cautioned about in your first response: by having a magic age to release kids, we try kids as adults and 14 year olds end up in adult prison. I don't think the "magic release" age is defendable...by anyone. Like I said, wouldn't logic following not having a magic get out of jail card (that puts kids in Adult systems) and instead, ahmegosh, taking things on a case by case level and transferring when appropriate?

I was clearly letting the air out of your argument and showing you the system is exactly what you said it isn't. Carry on chaps though. I appreciate discussions and other viewpoints.

Catching up reading and spotted two posts in this thread that solve 99.9999999% of the problems.

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Originally Posted by cstone

If someone kills someone else while they are in the commission of a crime, the death penalty should apply. Dead people are never repeat offenders.

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Originally Posted by thedave1164

If a person is not safe to be around weapons, fire, cars, kittens and babies, they should be locked away.

Pretty simple really.

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This covers evil and crazy.

Notice the same people who want to take guns have made damn sure that both methods of dealing with this are off the table? They'll spend gazillions buying votes with social programs but not on mental health facilities. They'll talk about social justice but have weakened the actual justice system to the point its consequences are no longer a deterrent.

We've got guys in this state murdering their pregnant women so they don't have to be fathers and don't GAF.

We've got people in many states openly posting and fantasizing about mass murder, genocide, ethnic cleansing, and political terrorism. Free as the wind.

Oh but that AR in my safe is a real problem! [LOL]

The best "gun control" strategy is shut up. The more people talk about gun control, the more guns and ammo are sold. The more attention shooters are given, the more attention whores are created.