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The same reason that a big game hunter staying at the Brown Palace downtown before taking a flight to Africa had his guns seized and was thrown in jail for several days. It's Denver. They say, "Whoops, sorry for the misunderstanding." and you get screwed. Why anyone has anything to do with City & County of Denver is beyond me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
When they openly admit that they were there to open carry in City & County of Denver, which is illegal, but there weren't enough other people breaking the law to get away with it, wasn't a smart move.Quote:
Originally Posted by CS1983
If they kept their mouths shut, it would be easier to say, "We were simply in the wrong place at the wrong time."
City & County of Denver is a liberal mess. That's a given. Willingly putting yourself in that place and time to 'make a statement' is pretty stupid. Agreed?
They specifically stated they were NOT there to open carry, and did NOT open carry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gman
re-read the link CN posted early on in the thread: https://coloradotimesrecorder.com/20...-protest/24690
I'll be honest. This kind of comment drives me up the freakin' wall. It's the intellectual equivalent of saying we're currently under martial law, as another member has asserted.Quote:
Originally Posted by CS1983
I would expect this type of comment from CNN, MSNBC, WaPo, etc. I really don't expect to see intelligent, informed people saying stuff like this.
Making this kind of blanket assertion doesn't do anyone any good. It's one of those "venting" type statements that's the equal of jabbing a sharp stick in someone's eye.
So, on the surface, it appears DPD screwed this guy over by seizing his property. I agree. But do we have to broaden this type of possible bad behavior by DPD to asserting the entire country is this way...like we all live in a gulag where we have no rights? Seriously. If we don't live in the country with the most personal freedom on the planet it's definitely on the short list. Yes...people come along and fuck that freedom up for individuals occasionally. But that just doesn't give reason to say we mistakenly believe we live in a country without rights. This sort of thing is just meant to inflame and instigate in my opinion. I get the frustration but I gotta say, you're better than that.
I can only call it like I see it. Civil forfeiture, the myriad of felonies which we all likely commit every day simply going about our lives in good will, qualified immunity which lets narcissistic psychopaths get away with far too much with far too little consequences except in rare cases, clear and consistent violations of the Constitution at the legislative and judicial levels despite the Founding Fathers having extra-Constitutional writings which show their intention, the cancerous growth of Federal power, the lack of the Feds' willingness to also check States when they violate laws which are contrary to Federal law, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
I'm done.
I have no hope that if I were to be hit with some trumped up charges, I would walk away with my life and finances intact, even if "proven" innocent (whatever that means anymore).
In short, I'm wet and no longer fear the rain. So no, I don't believe that I, or any of us, have rights in this country. Do I objectively? Absolutely. But they are given by God and the human dignity of life. And I conduct my life with that in mind with an eye toward prudence in acting upon them. But do I believe those rights are respected? Not anymore than if I were living in a town run by the Mafia.
I did read it. Did you?:Quote:
Originally Posted by CS1983
If they didn't intend to open carry, which they admitted is illegal, then Whiskey Tango Foxtrot does "have enough guys to open carry" have to do with it?Quote:
“Open carry is illegal in Denver and we did not have enough guys to open carry so I don’t wanna hear it,” wrote McGee on Facebook.
Is it illegal though?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gman
As mentioned "Civil Forfeiture".
Denver, City and County of has made it an art of stealing personal property from people.
There are many well documented cases of people who have had property seized by CCD never to see it again even though charges are never filed, vacated or acquitted against the persons.
If I understand it correctly the property has a separate case filed against it and the owner only has X days to respond to it.
If they dont respond the property is forfeited.
Reason 12,487,699,521 to not got to CCD.
I have the same fear as Cha-lee, but with respect to civil forfeiture instead of guns. Beyond having a safe in my vehicle, I don't know how to protect myself.
Because if there was a large group, the law is unlikely to be enforced (as in other instances). The fact remains, they didn’t open carry and didn’t intend to do so. So I don’t really know what point you’re trying to make.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gman