Why we are where we are....

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Originally Posted by Stuart

If you expand the very first job listed (loveland, co) I'm thinking of applying for this job just to see what happens. The description really makes it sound like it is an entry level position, but of course they would like someone with experience and general knowledge as well.

http://www.omnitrax.com/employement.aspx

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The wrost they can do is laugh at your app.. My luck, I would be "overqualified"

Skilled labor is very important, but unions can suck a fat one. The are a big part of the problem.

Yeah, I'm not very excited to work for a union at all.

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Originally Posted by Elhuero

Skilled labor is very important, but unions can suck a fat one. The are a big part of the problem.

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Maybe I am mistaken about how unions work but here goes:

I think the biggest problems with unions is that the individual is ignored. People should be rewarded based on their merit, not time in service. When a single individual kicks ass at a job and carries a bunch of lazy people the union doesn't think about that single person, everyone gets the same raise, that isn't right and I think it is immoral.

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Originally Posted by roberth

Maybe I am mistaken about how unions work but here goes:

I think the biggest problems with unions is that the individual is ignored. People should be rewarded based on their merit, not time in service. When a single individual kicks ass at a job and carries a bunch of lazy people the union doesn't think about that single person, everyone gets the same raise, that isn't right and I think it is immoral.

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Seems socialist or more like the liberal way of thinking. I agree.

You know which jobs really need unions now? The ones that keep getting outsourced.

They are for the most part....[ROFL1]

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Originally Posted by Stuart

You know which jobs really need unions now? The ones that keep getting outsourced.

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Orrrrrrrrrrrrrrr we could just stop out sourcing every last job!!! That is the real solution.

Get out of here with your logic.

I was just pondering about this in the car on the way to work today. What ways could we convince companies to stop out sourcing manufacturing and services without enacting some sort of legislation? There are always people who are willing to boycott companies like that, but never enough, and some people just don't have a choice but to shop based on price only.

It is a perplexing issue. I'd say that getting rid of unions and the inflated pay rates of union workers would be a start. Don't know where to go after that though.

Kind of counter intuitive to praise skilled labor, yet damn unions and inflated wages all in the same thread isn't it?

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Originally Posted by KFinn

Seems socialist or more like the liberal way of thinking. I agree.

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That's why the Communist Party came up through the labor unions. Communism depends on a few carrying the many (from each according to his ability, to each according to his need), this is union groupthink too.

Unfortunately communism doesn't take into account the competitive nature of the human being, we're not robots and when we do well we want to be rewarded. Socialism, Marxism, and Communism remove the reward from the equation, they remove the incentive to do well, thus they fail and fail miserably.

That's why capitalism is the best economic system, because it has incentives that appeal to our human nature. Unfortunately the United States continues to reward bad behavior by offering public assistance without restrictions.