So, the car couldn't outrun a dump truck? Guess Mad Max the dump truck driver dropped a serious big block in that thing with some NO2...
No way self defense.
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So, the car couldn't outrun a dump truck? Guess Mad Max the dump truck driver dropped a serious big block in that thing with some NO2...
No way self defense.
I just want to make it clear that I'm basing my opinions strictly based on THIS situation. We could go all day making up other things, but in this particular one, like my protege Fryday has suggested, no way self defense.
Well,, Not knowing how "bad" rush hour was, I'll say this.. If driving a Jag and you can't put one hell of piece of real estate between yourself and a dump truck, Chances are, you are looking for something to escalate..
You don't even have to run away either. It's hard to ram another car in rush hour if they stopped and pulled over behind you.
It was in the onset of rush hours. The average speed was 30 miles/hour on highway, much slower near entrances. It probably started when the Jaguar driver did not allow the truck to merge before him.Quote:
Originally Posted by SA Friday
Tenets of self defense as justification: Clear and immediate danger, which is subject to opinion in this case, as there was clear escalation on both sides, and no evidence of any attempt to defuse the situation. The truck driver had already demonstrated that he was willing and able to act violently, so the driver of the Jag has that going for him, even after they came to a stop.
The other criteria for self defense involves a reasonable expectation to flee if it is safe, as castle doctrine does not extend to protecting your lane position on the Interstate(something drivers on I-25 should be reminded of). The Jag driver was under no obligation to yield right of way to the truck driver, but the entire situation could have been avoided had he done so. Driving aggressively would fall under the category of provocation, and would seem to strip him of any reasonable self defense claim.
Besides, marksmanship that bad SHOULD be criminal.....[LOL]
I say that justice is served by putting both of these hotheads in the clink.
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I've traveled in rush hour traffic in London, Seoul, San Fran, Sacramento, Denver, Cinnci, DC, and Madrid. If you are moving at 30, there's room to get over and away for a Jag. Probably not the dump truck.
No way self defense.
a latino with a gun, too much machismo and no sense at all.
Since there was a child on board, there is no question that the young father should de-escalate and disengage.Quote:
Originally Posted by SA Friday
But if there was no child on board, don't you have the right to stand your ground even at the risk of escalation? I don't mean that it is a wise thing to do. But wisdom can't be expected from all people all the time.
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Originally Posted by coloccw
That was also my first reaction...[UZI]