It might get worse for us in CO

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05-02-2010, 15:48
sniper7

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Originally Posted by MB888

Serious question, with your guestimated of $1billion cost due to these folks, and $2 billion in CO budget shortfall, would you pay an extra tax for ICE enforcement to solve long term problems?

I know ICE is federal not State, but say CO is to adopt AZ style law and provide facilities for ICE to be more efficient. Would you pay the extra tax?

sure, i will pick up some extra tax, right after they tax the shit out of marijuana, sell off all the homes used for free housing of the illegals, confiscate and auction off all vehicles and other property owned/obtained by the illegals and get my vehicle insurance reduced to take off "uninsured motorist coverage", apply the saved money from tax stamps and whatever else they receive to the budget. oh, and once unemployed americans take the construction jobs and whatever else is left over who will then pay taxes on the money they earn. I guess I could also factor in the huge savings from health insurance, reduced need for prison space (might be negligible...not sure on that one), the saved tax dollars for law enforcement and judicial system to work the extra murders, rapes, theft cases. I am sure I am missing quite a bit. but once those have been satisfied and if we are still short on some cash i will be more than happy to pay some extra taxes.
05-02-2010, 15:49
sniper7

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Originally Posted by SA Friday

It isn't feasible for the local PD to do what AZ is doing. We have no border with Mexico. ICE would have to be involved, and quite frankly, they are ineffectual. I've dealt with them before on a professional, lateral level and they are worthless as tits on a bull. AZ PD can at least bus the illegals to the border and toss them themselves. CO PD's lose their authority at the border.

I have watched them fly a 727 full of illegals out of colorado springs a couple times.
05-02-2010, 15:51
sniper7

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Originally Posted by Stuart

Haha, we must be thinking of different countries. Have you ever been to Mexico? You can do whatever you want there. I can't imagine that people leave a country that had 50,000 of their military leave the force and join drug cartels in 2008, go to the US because they know it will be easier to commit crimes up here.

get caught with a gun heading down into mexico...wonder what will happen.

the name "thunderdick" comes to mind....[Help]
05-02-2010, 16:42
Jumpstart

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Originally Posted by sniper7

I have watched them fly a 727 full of illegals out of colorado springs a couple times.

Greyhounds buses. Mexico is a day trip 10 hours max.
05-02-2010, 16:54
Irving

It is astonishing to me that you guys want to take the things that are great about America, throw them in the trash and turn our country into another North Korea or Mexico. People come here because it is a land of opportunity where it doesn't matter what color you are or how you got here, as long as you can take care of yourself, you'll be given the opportunity to prosper.

No one is moving to North Korea or Mexico because they just don't want you there, and do not allow even the chance of opportunity.

On the other hand, there is China which has similarly strict rules, but all you have to do flash some cash and have a business plan. If they think you'll be able to employ some people and increase their GDP, then they'll build a factory FOR YOU, free of charge according to another member here.

There is a reason no one wants to go to North Korea, please stop pretending that if we act like those shitty countries, it will make our country better. It's dumb and you have 200 years of history to review to prove otherwise.

Just like your comment in the other thread about how we should send anchor babies back just because their parents didn't get here through legal channels. The difference between that kid, and you, is absolutely nothing. Well, except that you feel some ridiculous sense of entitlement over the brown guy and want to punish him for his parents crimes. Maybe we should throw the families of other criminals in jail for the same amount of time just because their parents committed a crime. That sounds like something the greatest country in the world would do. Not to mention the fact that you can't send someone "back" to a place they've never been before. Reminds me of the Klan members going on Jerry Springer in the early 90's telling 5th generation American born black people to "go back to Africa."

I think that there was another country that had some sort of system where people were only allowed to prosper if they were born into the right families....oh yeah, it was Britain. Long live the Queen and all that. We ran from them because that system is bullshit remember?

So I guess keep marching around with your ideas of turning America into another North Korea, only with a brand new cast system. Sounds like a great time to me. After we get rid of all the people we don't feel are "entitled" to the bounties of our country currently, then someone else is going to have to fill the void of the targeted class. Who is it going to be first? People without a college education? People who aren't land owners? Oh boy! I can't wait.
05-02-2010, 16:56
sniper7

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Originally Posted by Jumpstart

Greyhounds buses. Mexico is a day trip 10 hours max.

definitely would have been cheaper...but it IS the .gov[Bang]

they brought them to the plane by bus...does that count?
05-02-2010, 17:20
Jumpstart

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Originally Posted by sniper7

definitely would have been cheaper...but it IS the .gov[Bang]

they brought them to the plane by bus...does that count?

It sure does, planes, trains or automobiles. Get em gone.
05-02-2010, 17:34
sniper7

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Originally Posted by Stuart

It is astonishing to me that you guys want to take the things that are great about America, throw them in the trash and turn our country into another North Korea or Mexico. People come here because it is a land of opportunity where it doesn't matter what color you are or how you got here, as long as you can take care of yourself, you'll be given the opportunity to prosper.

Yes, they come here, and they are allowed to come here through legal means, hoping the border and calling yourself a benefit to the American Dream is not what this country is founded on...

No one is moving to North Korea or Mexico because they just don't want you there, and do not allow even the chance of opportunity.

On the other hand, there is China which has similarly strict rules, but all you have to do flash some cash and have a business plan. If they think you'll be able to employ some people and increase their GDP, then they'll build a factory FOR YOU, free of charge according to another member here.

I would LOVE to see the info on this, also, do you notice how you aren't saying to just hop the border, say from Korea (since you are mentioning that) and start trying to live off their people? Coming to the US with a proposal and cash is a lot of what the LEGAL immigration channel is about. maybe you should research this site:
http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis

There is a reason no one wants to go to North Korea, please stop pretending that if we act like those shitty countries, it will make our country better. It's dumb and you have 200 years of history to review to prove otherwise.

We have progressed as a nation to the point where we are now at a 10% unemployment rate...that means there aren't enough jobs in case you don't understand, although i think you do since you said you are searching.
During times like these in the past, "operation wetback" went into effect
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Wetback
maybe you should look a bit more at our history and the steps taken when we were in need of jobs.
BigBear posted his story about an illegal taking the job he was applying for because it was cheaper labor. In the end that illegal cost the company employing his less, but cost the taxpayers a shit ton (lost taxes plus the free benefits the illegal received for himself and his family)
As far as i have seen everyone is in agreement that LEGAL immigration is just fine, we all support it and support the people that go through the channels to be a productive part of our society...just as you mention CHINA said they would build a factory (waiting for truth about that though), our country wants immigrants that will help enhance our country and continue to make it a place where you can achieve the "American Dream".
that so called dream is SHIT upon by illegal immigrants who come here to work the system, take jobs from American citizens and LEGAL immigrants then send the money home to families in mexico.

Just like your comment in the other thread about how we should send anchor babies back just because their parents didn't get here through legal channels. The difference between that kid, and you, is absolutely nothing. Well, except that you feel some ridiculous sense of entitlement over the brown guy and want to punish him for his parents crimes. Maybe we should throw the families of other criminals in jail for the same amount of time just because their parents committed a crime. That sounds like something the greatest country in the world would do. Not to mention the fact that you can't send someone "back" to a place they've never been before. Reminds me of the Klan members going on Jerry Springer in the early 90's telling 5th generation American born black people to "go back to Africa."

As to me having some supposed sense of entitlement, considering my background comes from LEGAL immigrants (English and German) and NATIVE AMERICANS who had gone through the process of legal citizenship as well as being here before the US was ever a country, maybe I have earned that sense of entitlement.

I will give you points about the anchor babies, but comparing that issue to a Klan issue is not the same. The slaves were brought here (most of them against their will or due to lies) while illegals hop the border, know it is illegal, and have the kid on US soil...that is why they are called anchor babies. while you are at looking up some history, take a look at what Lincoln wanted to do with slaves as well as James Monroe...ever hear of Monrovia?
"In 1824, the city was renamed to Monrovia after James Monroe, then President of the United States, and a prominent supporter of the colony in sending freed African-American slaves to Liberia, saw it as preferable than emancipation in America. It is the only non-American capital city named after a U.S. President."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monrovia

I think that there was another country that had some sort of system where people were only allowed to prosper if they were born into the right families....oh yeah, it was Britain. Long live the Queen and all that. We ran from them because that system is bullshit remember?

So I guess keep marching around with your ideas of turning America into another North Korea, only with a brand new cast system. Sounds like a great time to me. After we get rid of all the people we don't feel are "entitled" to the bounties of our country currently, then someone else is going to have to fill the void of the targeted class. Who is it going to be first? People without a college education? People who aren't land owners? Oh boy! I can't wait.

So you are really saying you honestly believe ILLEGAL immigrants are entitled to the bounties our this country...to receive benefits offered thanks the hard work of citizens and LEGAL immigrants...benefits which were developed when those citizens and LEGAL immigrants were in a time of need? The targeted class broke the law to begin with when they cut, dug, hopped, swam or drove their way into the country illegally. you really think they should be entitled to anything, given a high five, slap on the back and amnesty for breaking the law?
I eagerly await your response to this one...
05-02-2010, 17:39
roberth

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Originally Posted by Stuart

Haha, we must be thinking of different countries. Have you ever been to Mexico? You can do whatever you want there. I can't imagine that people leave a country that had 50,000 of their military leave the force and join drug cartels in 2008, go to the US because they know it will be easier to commit crimes up here.

My statement was based on this article and links it contains.

http://michellemalkin.com/2010/04/28...llegal-aliens/

Yes, I think it is easier for them to commit crimes up here AND they get free food, housing, and education for their kids.
05-02-2010, 18:09
Irving

First of all, I'd love to see any citation on ANYTHING you've ever claimed about illegals, especially about you having to pay more insurance cost. You obviously don't understand how insurance works to believe that one.

We're in a natural recession due to a lot of things that have nothing to do with illegal immigrants. I'm not at all surprised that you go to the lengths that you do to blame every problem you see on illegals. I also noticed that you didn't read my other thread, because I'm looking for a new job because I don't like my current job.

Let's see, next you reference more drivel of illegals costing American tax payers money. Again, wrongly assuming that just because you are here illegally, that you must be automatically be a leach. You fall talk about how illegals take advantage of social programs, yet aren't documented enough to pay any taxes.

Next, you mention that your family came here legally, so that means you've earned the right to be here. You didn't earn anything. You are just as much of an anchor baby as anyone else who happened to have been born here. Your legal status is a coincidence of circumstance. You're no better than a Mexican anchor baby that was born here as a coincidence of circumstance due to their parents illegal actions. I know it makes you angry to hear that, but it is completely true.

Next you mention that slaves where brought here against their will. I must have missed the part where all the minors in Mexico were allowed a vote of whether they wanted their parents to drag them through the desert, across the boarder. Perhaps the pregnant mother asked her fetus which country it would like to have been born in before she popped him/her out?

I'm not going to fault you for putting words in my mouth, since you obviously can't grasp the point that I'm trying to make here.

What I honestly believe is that you don't have a clue as to solve the problem that you don't even fully understand. The scope of this issue is much larger than either you or I can explain (or else we'd each be writing reform bills instead of arguing about it). I honestly believe that "solutions" that you've suggested are short sighted at best. I suppose an analogy would be that while just throwing people into jail for drug use is a punishment, it does absolutely nothing to address the issue of the drug use itself.

To be clear, I'm not asking you to come up with solutions to address our immigration issue (mostly because I don't think you're capable), I'm just critiquing the ideas you've suggested thus far. In the event that you actually suggest something that is more than short sighted and less than well thought out, at best, then I'll be the first person to commend you on the great idea.

For what it is worth, I don't disagree with the idea of immediately deporting someone who has committed a crime and is shown to have come from another country. If they aren't documented, but aren't documented anywhere else, then that person is our problem to deal with. I just don't know if our law enforcement has the authority or ability to ship people back to Mexico if they are caught breaking the law. I have a feeling that the 747 full of illegals was the result of a Federal Immigration investigation, and not just local law enforcement. Plus, you have to have the same punishment for everyone. So when that guy from China who over stayed his summer vacation gets busted doing something, you're going to have to deport him as well. The question is, are you going to hold onto him until you have a whole airplane full of illegal Chinese to send home? Or are you going to have an escort send him home on a plane full of civilians?

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