New nut case control laws needed instead of gun control

Sometimes there should not be more "do-overs". Look at some of the scum that Ritter pardoned/commuted during his last few days in office for examples.

I'm sorry, if you have just crashed your car into someone else without a license, while hammered, after flunking out of court ordered rehab, after your 3rd DUI, you're not going to get to go home for dinner. Ever.

While we're at it, let's make prisons prisons again. Hard, productive labor paid @ $2.00 an hour, less the actual cost of incarceration. No TV, no conjugal visits, no electric lights, no "good time" sentence reductions.No "minimum security". If prisons were less like country clubs and more like punishment, perhaps there would be more incentive for criminals to avoid them. Join or participate in a gang in prison? Welcome to 24 hour lockdown in solitary. Same for starting a fight or assaulting a guard. Plus years on your sentence. Make the prisoners pay their way. Chain gangs seem to work in Maricopa county, why not elsewhere?

We'll never be able to weed out the whackos, and experience in other countries has shown that if they can't get a gun, they'll use a knife, or an axe, or a club, or a fire....

/rambling rant

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Originally Posted by TFOGGER

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I'm sorry, if you have just crashed your car into someone else without a license, while hammered, after flunking out of court ordered rehab, after your 3rd DUI, you're not going to get to go home for dinner. Ever.

While we're at it, let's make prisons prisons again. Hard, productive labor paid @ $2.00 an hour, less the actual cost of incarceration. No TV, no conjugal visits, no electric lights, no "good time" sentence reductions.No "minimum security". If prisons were less like country clubs and more like punishment, perhaps there would be more incentive for criminals to avoid them. Join or participate in a gang in prison? Welcome to 24 hour lockdown in solitary. Same for starting a fight or assaulting a guard. Plus years on your sentence. Make the prisoners pay their way. Chain gangs seem to work in Maricopa county, why not elsewhere?

We'll never be able to weed out the whackos, and experience in other countries has shown that if they can't get a gun, they'll use a knife, or an axe, or a club, or a fire....

/rambling rant

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Originally Posted by TFOGGER

Sometimes there should not be more "do-overs". Look at some of the scum that Ritter pardoned/commuted during his last few days in office for examples.

I'm sorry, if you have just crashed your car into someone else without a license, while hammered, after flunking out of court ordered rehab, after your 3rd DUI, you're not going to get to go home for dinner. Ever.

While we're at it, let's make prisons prisons again. Hard, productive labor paid @ $2.00 an hour, less the actual cost of incarceration. No TV, no conjugal visits, no electric lights, no "good time" sentence reductions.No "minimum security". If prisons were less like country clubs and more like punishment, perhaps there would be more incentive for criminals to avoid them. Join or participate in a gang in prison? Welcome to 24 hour lockdown in solitary. Same for starting a fight or assaulting a guard. Plus years on your sentence. Make the prisoners pay their way. Chain gangs seem to work in Maricopa county, why not elsewhere?

We'll never be able to weed out the whackos, and experience in other countries has shown that if they can't get a gun, they'll use a knife, or an axe, or a club, or a fire....




/rambling rant

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I would like to add if a person is in for a life sentence without parole and it is undeniable evidence and the person is truly guilty then they should receive the death sentence...immediately. no waiting. Just walk out to the spot. Ban. Done.

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Originally Posted by sniper7

I would like to add if a person is in for a life sentence without parole and it is undeniable evidence and the person is truly guilty then they should receive the death sentence...immediately. no waiting. Just walk out to the spot. Ban. Done.

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This,, And consecutive life sentances or even 100+ years in prison.

If what they did was bad enough to warrent 3-400 years in prison, well then, maybe it was bad enough to assume room temp as quick as possible..

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Originally Posted by TFOGGER

While we're at it, let's make prisons prisons again. Hard, productive labor paid @ $2.00 an hour, less the actual cost of incarceration. No TV, no conjugal visits, no electric lights, no "good time" sentence reductions.No "minimum security". If prisons were less like country clubs and more like punishment, perhaps there would be more incentive for criminals to avoid them. Join or participate in a gang in prison? Welcome to 24 hour lockdown in solitary. Same for starting a fight or assaulting a guard. Plus years on your sentence. Make the prisoners pay their way. Chain gangs seem to work in Maricopa county, why not elsewhere?
Prisons are way too easy on the people in them. They should be a place in which you do not want to go to, ever. My brother (actual brother) has been in and out since he was 18. I think he is on his 5th felony... He explained it almost as a frat house. They have more in prison than a lot of people working their asses off trying to make ends meet. It is pathetic. I think they can sleep on the floor instead of a bed. They can shit in a hole instead of a nice shiney shitter. Instead of TV, they can stare at the cracks in their wall getting bigger over time. The only fresh air they need is when the little door opens to give them their one meal of mush served in a bowl at the end of the day in their cell. That would be perfectly fine I think.

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I agree with the fact that crazy shits hell bent on killing people will always find a way.

if the cannot acquire a firearm, it is probable they will use a hammer or a knife or a bat, or fire.

then it will fall to hammer, Knife, Bat or fire control advocates.

Lets clean our yard and make sure our fences are in order.
Make the drug and psychological lists work the same way the CBI Felony lists do.
I Understand they will still break the law to get a gun. and maybe then the soft hearted bleeding liberals will understand the saying "when guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns."

In the mean-time we scramble around trying to rearrange deck chairs on the titanic because we aren't addressing the cause of the problem. We don't need more laws. we need the laws we have to work.

before anyone can quote this they must first explain how someone deemed mentally defective by the US Army, and with an arrest record for drugs legally purchased a fucking firearm.


The system we have is broken, fix what we have before we add more to it!

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Originally Posted by BigBear

I completely agree with you Cha-Lee. I've said for a long time we need to go to a "three strikes and your out" program. Fourth strike and you get a bullet to the head. One or two examples to be made and our society would be a lot more pleasant to live in in about a week.

But for most heinous crimes it should be instant.
You murdered someone purposely? Boom.
I'm sorry, you "accidently killed" her when she fought back due to you mugging her? Boom.

etc.

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I agree completely. One 45 or whatever to the head and be done with it.

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Originally Posted by Boostedxt

I know that if my wife, who is a school teacher, says that a child needs help mentally/physically/educationally to the parents the school is on the hook for the bill until the child is released or cleared from whatever the needed help from in the beginning. Teachers as a whole are told specifically to never say anything as the school doesnt wanna pay for it all.

joe

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The schools will deliberately not mention things, even if they have the legal obligation to handle those issues. They will deny services that are not only needed but that they are legally obligated to support, and force the parents to pursue legal action before they will agree to do what they are supposed to anyway. And then, they'll get the judge to slap a gag on it. Anyone who thinks I'm kidding, I'm not, nor am I exaggerating. Schools will STILL also cover up abuse, and make a real show out of so-called "bullyproofing"; but it's just a big bunch of smoke and mirrors. And I'm talking about a district that's supposed to be one of the best, if not the best, in the state.

And another little tidbit for you. If you find that the school district was negligent regarding anything, let's say that you found that your child was being abused by another and the multiple staff members (a minimum of 3 and max of 6 in the room at any given time for special needs students, for no more than 18 students in this particular case) not only knew about it, and ignored it, but made up excuses when you go to meetings with them to try to figure out what's going on - then, you have 60 days to file suit. 60 days! So make sure you know that BEFORE you have a problem, because otherwise by the time you find out it'll be too late. Even if you have them admitting all sorts of things ON TAPE. That is the statute of limitations in Colorado for that sort of thing. Go check it out yourself if you don't believe me. I have all sorts of interesting little bits of knowledge in this area. Don't ask me how I know.

Rant over...[Bang]

Sixteen minutes later, at 10:10 a.m., Loughner opened fire, gravely wounding Giffords and killing six, including one of her aides, a federal judge and a 9-year-old girl, sheriff's officials say.

According to sheriff's officials, Loughner bought a Glock 9mm handgun on Nov. 30.

At 10:11 a.m., 911 dispatchers received calls that there had been gunfire at a Safeway. Four minutes later, a sheriff's deputy arrived at the shopping center and detained Loughner. Medical personnel, including paramedics, showed up minutes later.

About 10:41 a.m., Giffords was transported to University Medical Center, roughly 8 miles away. Doctors have said she was in an operating room 38 minutes after the shooting began.

Two things struck me in this timeline just released by Pima County.

One: four minutes is a long time to wait for the police to show up. It is actually a pretty good response time for the police. If it was late at night or out in the boonies, it could be a lot longer.

Second: 38 minutes from shooting to surgery. What a country! I don't believe she got faster service because of who she is. The emergency medical system in this country is one of the most amazing things I've ever witnessed. When you go overseas and see people who may never see a doctor or health care provider and then return here to see anyone and everyone being seen at all hours of the day and night...

It makes me wonder who believed any of that Michael Moore health care in Cuba garbage?