Hear someone coming into your house, grab your rifle, get shot 71 times - CLOSED

I dont need any other information other then what local officials and the Gov. determine I need.
We all know us veterans are members of active terrorist cells. Hell I must truly hate my country to serve it for well over 21 years! I think I will go to the basement right now to plot something!
My latest plot will be.....whats for dinner?

This, in our own country?
It can only get better now that the citizen is now the enemy of the Gov. right?
When can I download "Happy Days Are Here Again" for my soon to be Gov. tracked iPhone.....or is it already?
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Sounds fishy.

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Originally Posted by bowhunter

6 days after shooting the guy 71 times in front of his family and they still "havent released" information? Thats jacked up. If they found anything they would have presented it to show they were in the right.

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Sorry, but that's just not true. I was involved in multiple cases that ended up in the media where if we released information it would have clearly showed the media's initial stories were not only incorrect, but bordered on complete fabrication. There is more than one reason to not release information to the public.

This story has clear indications of not enough fact and too much speculation at this point. The police may very well have severely screwed up, then again, they might not of either. There simply isn't enough information to make an informed decision as to the truth of the matter. This is obviously a "if it bleeds, it leads" story intended to incite more emotion than critical thinking at this point. It's a story to sell papers, not inform.

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Originally Posted by clublights

Someone didn't read the article.............

The police said it was NOT a no knock.......... it was also 9am.

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The article also said he had gone to bed after working the night shift plus overtime. So it was the middle of the night for him !

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Originally Posted by SideShow Bob

The article also said he had gone to bed after working the night shift plus overtime. So it was the middle of the night for him !

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...and this has nothing to do with the laws concerning no-knocks or night-time warrants.

Missing a lot of info:

71 rounds fired, all by police, how many hit, and what hazard did the misses present?

Why in the HELL was SWAT serving a search warrant in a residential neighborhood, with his wife and kid in the house?

You know that at least one of the SWAT officers was wired for video and sound (SOP these days). If this was a clean shoot, why aren't they parading the video around?

What was the basis for the warrant, and what were the fruits of the search?

Why was medical aid withheld for more than 40 minutes? Isn't it SOP to have an ambulance/paramedics standing by on a dynamic entry, in the event that one of the COPS gets shot?

Not knowing what the intel on which the warrant was based, I can't make a judgement about the validity of the tactics, but it sure sounds like they screwed the pooch in terms of preparation. If the SWAT team was reasonable to serve this warrant, then it makes sense to me that they would have had EMS on scene before making entry.

Did you catch the vics name?

Sounds like a case of mistaken id, wrong house, bad intel, scared cop, etc.

Not enough information to make a judgement either way.

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Originally Posted by TFOGGER

Missing a lot of info:


Why in the HELL was SWAT serving a search warrant in a residential neighborhood, with his wife and kid in the house? Based upon Pima County's Risk Assessment Matrix

You know that at least one of the SWAT officers was wired for video and sound (SOP these days). If this was a clean shoot, why aren't they parading the video around? Is it THEIR (Pima County's) SOP? Not all agencies have funds for that. Wasn't Pima County asking for funds last year?

What was the basis for the warrant, and what were the fruits of the search? Basis stated in article (narco investigation)

Why was medical aid withheld for more than 40 minutes? Isn't it SOP to have an ambulance/paramedics standing by on a dynamic entry, in the event that one of the COPS gets shot? Medics don't enter until the entire house is cleared.... it can take 5 guys an hour to clear a house, especially one guy to deal with each person in the house (even to watch the injured owner).


Not knowing what the intel on which the warrant was based, I can't make a judgement about the validity of the tactics, but it sure sounds like they screwed the pooch in terms of preparation. If the SWAT team was reasonable to serve this warrant, then it makes sense to me that they would have had EMS on scene before making entry.

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Smells bad from here.IF they found anything they would have dragged it out and made a huge thing about it. I think they made assumtions based on the mans work habits or name.

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Originally Posted by SA Friday

Lot of info missing in this story to make a judgement either way.

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Agreed, and I would say 6 days to try and figure out what really happened/went wrong is not enough time, so far. I would definitely say the city is going to be very careful on how they approach this.

I am very curious as to the outcome.