Obama Gun Reform

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Originally Posted by ghettodub

I don't think it's gonna take the media to do that; the current list of candidates from the GOP are a joke, and won't stand a chance in hell against Obama next time... just my .02...

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I here this all the time, care to explain.
Your research has shown this to be true how again?
Think about it, Obama? What qualified him to be Prez? It was cool cuz he was black is not good enough.
Once again how are the candidates a joke.
Everyone want me to believe it, have not heard a good argument yet.

Early on I thought the GOP had no chance, as of right now, I feel like that isn't the case, purely by the POTUS's doing. He is making a big old mess of things, and I think he has failed his base and betrayed the undecided middle ground voter. I don't believe the election will be kind to him. If the GOP puts up a middle of the road candidate voters will swing that way, especially if he/she is anti-war. If the GOP goes tea-party, I bet Pres. Obama gets 4 more years.

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Originally Posted by TEAMRICO

I here this all the time, care to explain.
Your research has shown this to be true how again?
Think about it, Obama? What qualified him to be Prez? It was cool cuz he was black is not good enough.
Once again how are the candidates a joke.
Everyone want me to believe it, have not heard a good argument yet.

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How do you prove that it is true that you don't like any candidates?

Kind of in support of Matt's post... say Obama signs an EO that bans any and all firearms.
A) How will they find and obtain all of the firearms floating around? Sure, if you purchased from an FFL there's a record that you bought one, but do you really think they're gonna go door to door and tell people to hand them over? What about paperless private sales? No way to track those.
B) Are you really going to give them up? I know I damn sure ain't... the gov't can pass whatever laws they want, I'll keep on with my way of life. I have a feeling many of us would be involved in unfortunate boating accidents...

Not that any of this matters. An EO is a policy, not a law... you can't be convicted of violating an EO, you would be convicted of whatever law is associated with the EO. Which means they would need to pass new laws, which is a little more difficult than signing an EO.

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Originally Posted by mcantar18c

Not that any of this matters. An EO is a policy, not a law... you can't be convicted of violating an EO, you would be convicted of whatever law is associated with the EO. Which means they would need to pass new laws, which is a little more difficult than signing an EO.

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This is true, in general Executive Orders are orders given by the president to government agencies, they aren't as powerful as "laws by decree".

So all Obama could do regarding guns is things like shutting down all processing of NFA forms, shut down NICS checks (which would only result in an end to background checks but translate into a waiting period in most states). The biggest things he could probably do is shut down processing new and renewing FFLs (which would kill a large percentage of gun dealerships across the country) and ban all firearms imports. I'm sure there's other annoyances he could pull but those are all I can think of off the cuff.

Whatever he does will be both temporary and immensely damaging to his and other Democrats political futures.

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Originally Posted by Guylee

All the idiot commenters are talking about "closing the gun show loophole."

What loophole, dipshits?

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Just another one of those cute little anti-gun phrases that do nothing but stir up more anti-gun hatred based off of nothing real. Like the use of the term "assault weapon" and banning firearms due to athstetic/cosmetic reasons instead of functionality. They've had agreat marketing campaign though and no one in the media or anywhere else that can reach out and be heard has called them on it. Gun show loophole is bad because it lets anyone - including convicted mass murders go buy guns" is the ideology they've brainwashed folks into believing.

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Originally Posted by HuffPost Article

The president directed the Attorney General to form working groups with key stakeholders to identify common sense measures that would improve American safety and security while fully respecting Second Amendment rights," Carney said at Thursday's briefing. "That process is well underway at the Department of Justice with stakeholders on all sides working through these complex issues and we expect to have more specific announcements in the near future."

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Any time you hear the term "common sense measures" it bodes VERY bad things on the horizon for our 2A rights. For them to claim that they will identify "common sense measures" and in the same breath claim "while fully respecting Second Amendment rights" I can know that they have no idea what the Second Amendment says or means. They always seem to overlook that pesky little part that says "shall not be infringed".

This was just posted at the Daily Beast:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...BOG05LB8cSpV2K

Hey I guessed the reporting requirement extended to long guns? Do I win a tinfoil hat?

I like this one:
"A national electronic system designed to make background checks for handgun buyers simpler and faster, leaving an electronic paper trail."

Damn! It's a shame I sold all my guns.

Steve

Man I hate it when they start messing with our right's, they spend our money and then take away our gun rights. I had a teacher tell me this "quit school and use the money to buy all the guns you can...you can always go to school later in life, you can't buy a banned gun!" haha

doubt this will go anywhere. He is puffing up for a while to appease the anti's. if he actually does an EO, there will be extreme outrage, it will go to SCOTUS, and will go away...huge waste of time. But it will also ensure he will not get re-elected.