Perspectives On Capacity

Do you only put in 1 gallon of gas in your car ? Hopefully not , but yes it's possible . Same with handguns . Will a gallon get some jobs done ? Sure , but if I go somewhere I like to get back ! Just my two cents .

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Originally Posted by Danimal

I read somewhere that in the average shoot out involving police, the officers involved fired more than 30 rounds each. I don't remember the source so I could be mistaken, but in the average crisis situation in which you are forced to react with lethal force, I would assume you would need to react similarly. Now you have to take into account that you are not a police officer, and have no obligation to bring the criminal to justice. You are only supposed to protect life and your residence from a threat. So if you fire one shot and your assailant heads for cover, get the hell out of there if you have the opportunity. If you need to stay and fight to protect yourself or others, be prepared to handle the situation as best as you can. Training and practice are worth the thousands of bullets, if you train and prepare properly.

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That information about 30rds each is way off! I can find reliable sources that say a lot less but I'd like to wager on it before I do [ROFL1]

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Originally Posted by Chase723

I recently purchased a G30sf but not after trolling around quite a bit and one thing I often came across was people saying " If I ever need more than 6+1 then something is seriously wrong" etc. As gun people, I think we need to be careful about saying such things. It's cannon fodder for libs to restrict capacity. I can see it now, "you guys all say it's about shot placement and that something is seriously wrong if you have to shoot more than x rounds." I'd posit that something is seriously wrong if we ever have to pump off even 1 round. That being said, I personally want to maintain the capacity and ability to send as much metal as possible at a bad guy. If I'm going to shoot at someone I feel certain enough about that decision to send 100 at them.

Train like you will fight and shoot as much as you can afford.

Chase

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Seriously, I love taking my Glock 19 w/ 33 round mag to the range and just blow some stuff up. The fun never ends with 33 rounds....
I wish all of my guns had high cap mags [Beer]

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Originally Posted by Ronin13

The FBI trains their agents to shoot until the threat is eliminated- IE Keep firing until the perp goes down. How many is that? Hard to say, could be 3, could be 20...
Good luck.

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Miami shootout comes to mind....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986_FBI_Miami_shootout

Bring enough to end the fight,,,,attack through ambushes

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Originally Posted by Zundfolge

"If I ever need more than 6+1 then something is seriously wrong"

Yeah, sometimes things go seriously wrong ... I'd argue if you need to draw you've crossed that line (doesn't mean one shouldn't be prepared for when things go seriously wrong).

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Amen! If I'm about to shoot somebody, something has already gone seriously wrong. I'd much rather have more rounds than I need to effectively deal with the situation than the alternative.

At one time the Sheriff and I were discussing what duty handguns we should authorize for
carry. He asked me "when was the last time you ran out of ammo?" I replied that I wasn't worried about the last time, I'm worried about the next time.

A few comments on the conversation. 1) I've talked to several Vietnam vets, am currently in the Army, and several of my friends are in the military with multiple deployments. Overwhelming, directed firepower works everytime. 2) Zimmerman shouldn't back down, repent, or show any form of remorse. Doing so only weakens his self defense position because it invokes the notion of doubt. If your going engage someone with lethal force there should be zero doubt before or after. 3) about shooting until the threat is eliminated, you're damn right! As an example, an LEO friend was involved in a single cop vs bad guy armed stand off. After the bad guy drew his weapon my friend shot him 13 times in the chest. I.e. he emptied his mag. if it had required more, believe me there would have been no hesitation.

The FBI says that the average self-defense shooting is 2 rounds, if I recall correctly. That being said, I always have at LEAST 22 rounds of .45 on me. It would really suck to be in a situation where you need ammo and don't have enough. I know through my training scenarios in the military that my reaction to a close range threat popping up is an automatic 3 rounds in the chest. Given what I know about how I react under stress, I am already above that "average" after putting down the first dude. Hope that there aren't more and I decided to carry the "average" of 2 rounds...

Honestly I don't usually carry a lot of rounds because .45 230's get heavy fast but I love the opportunity to carry more if I chose. Mag round count is not the problem, nor is the firearms industry. It is the shift in society values or lack there of that must be addressed.

The more the merrier. However, for a defensive situation such as ccw and HD I would not sacrifice function for capacity. In other words I won't have extended aftermarket magazines, mag tubes, floor plates, springs, extensions etc. that are not near 100% reliable on or in weapons I intend on using if my life depends on it.