ENOUGH FUKEN WHINING

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Originally Posted by ChunkyMonkey

Obama got 9 million less votes in 2012 vs 2008. The republicans just didnt show up at the poll. Most of these are libertarians and far right who pretty much abstained from supporting Mitt. The bickering right lost another election, and the above responses reflect the issue.

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You have a good point.. which goes to my point... Maybe if we actually put up a conservative, we would have beat Obama. But alas, we didn't. The establishment fucked us again with another progressive

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Originally Posted by PugnacAutMortem

Statements like this one always are surprising to me. Surprising in the way that the only way you can make a statement like that is if you truly believe in the two party system...that it actually is the best way to go about things in the political arena. I think bryjcom hit the nail on the head...the republican establishment was insane to think that Romney was the best shot. This country craved a STRONG conservative candidate...and the best the GOP could come up with was Romney?

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If by strong conservative you mean strong support of personal liberties, I agree that might have worked. The Republican establishment cannot tolerate such a candidate.

But that excuse means some of us would rather see the left won over center right. Heck, few of the posters here even support violent 'reset.' [Rant1]

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Originally Posted by jim

Unfortunately 50% of this country want and believe in the nanny state. well folks it's here to stay.

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Unfortunately the other 50% want and believe in continuous warfare. I guess we're bankrupt regardless of the election.....

Jim.....

I gotta meet you someday, seriously.
You are like that little inner voice that I have that never has the balls to come out and call it like it is.

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Originally Posted by gos

If by strong conservative you mean strong support of personal liberties, I agree that might have worked. The Republican establishment cannot tolerate such a candidate.

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Which is exactly why the two party system always ends up like the situation we have today. If the republicans want to be the moderate progressive party that is just fine by me. But don't package a progressive as a conservative just because he has an R after his name.

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Originally Posted by crashdown

Jim.....

I gotta meet you someday, seriously.
You are like that little inner voice that I have that never has the balls to come out and call it like it is.

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I second that motion. We should put together a "Meet Jim Range Day" up north sometime soon.

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Originally Posted by bryjcom

You have a good point.. which goes to my point... Maybe if we actually put up a conservative, we would have beat Obama. But alas, we didn't. The establishment fucked us again with another progressive

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Agreed, only i "think" the Conservative has vanished. I don't always vote party line, i vote who i feel would be good for me/us the people who want representation. That also has vanished. Big Money on both sides makes the 2 party system look like we'll end up as extras in the original ROLLERBALL movie.

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Originally Posted by crashdown

Jim.....

I gotta meet you someday, seriously.
You are like that little inner voice that I have that never has the balls to come out and call it like it is.

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Some of us do others wish they could. You ask me what my opinion os you will get it. No excuses. Not always a great way to make friends. Oh well you will know where i stand.
I put my money where my mouth is. SOMETIMES my foot too[facepalm]

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Originally Posted by PugnacAutMortem

I second that motion. We should put together a "Meet Jim Range Day" up north sometime soon.

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Bring ammo i'm not a cheap date.