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While it's not registration it's still record. On Sunday my buddy (former ffl) told me the BATFE sent him a letter asking for his records from 1987 because he had sold a gun that was used in a crime. I'd venture to guess the person it was transferred to will be contacted soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
Don't wanna hijack, but Bailey (or any other ffl's) have any of you ever received a similar letter?
I have had a few telephone calls requesting copies of 4473s, however, I think the intent of "registation" is for input into a database for "forward" tracking meaning you can sort on a caliber and city, etc. Currently it is what I call "back" tracking. ATF&E will get a serial number from a firearm (that could be from a crime scene) then go to the manufacturer that provides tracking to the wholesaler (unless factory direct) to the FFL dealer, then the dealer will fax a copy of the 4473 that identifies the buyer to ATF&E. I believe Colorado has about 15000 type 1 ffl dealers currently. Oh, and posting on this forum "I lost my rifle when my boat sank" or something similar is really stupid (in my opinion). You don't think the ATF looks at the different forums? Just my opinion again. [Metal]
oh, FFLs only keep their records for 20 years
Dicks may have made a choise not to sell/transfer "AR-15s". you can't make an FFL sell or transfer you a firearm. I have the right to refuse to sell/transer a firearm to anyone for any reason. I have only had to do that once when I could tell someone had been drinking alcohol. I also refuse to sell to anyone who appears to be under the influence, acting strange, or does not appear to be mentally competent, or states (or implies) they are planning to do harm to themselves or someone else. Basically, if I don't feel comfortable with a person owning a firearm they won't get one from me.
you guys have no idea how mad i am at dicks sporting goods corporate right now.[fail]
Just so you guys know i been working at this company for the pasted 4, 1/2 years off and on while i finished school its been nice to have a job while between getting my degree. last year i thought they where stepping out of the norm and getting into the AR game i was excited as we where carrying stuff we have never carried before. looked promising after getting the letter from corporate to remove all MSR's or AR's or anything tactical related pretty much from the floor including magazines last mon night late. i was not pleased with this decision. told me there true stance in the company and there view of the 2A.
i didn't find out till yesterday about the special orders not being filled, and that the company was going to send out letters to refund people for there web purchase for the troy plus 100 dollar gift card. what i have herd is that they sold so many that troy could not keep up with the request and that it wouldn't be in till Feb or march that they maybe would shipped out. not sure how true that is could be just an excuses beats me. i my self am not pleased with this and the over all direction the company has taken.
i do not blame you guys, this has made my decision even easier looking for a new job after the holiday season. at the direction they are going it tells me i might not even have a job down the road if i decided to stay.
If you filled out a 4473, then they had to have a serial number to record for the sale. So there is a gun out there matching the one you agreed to buy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stevensje
buyer signs the 4472 so the info can be put into CBI (only keeps names for 24 hours on record), AFTER the firearm has been delivered to the buyer the store rep signs the 4473 stating firearm was transferred to the buyer.
The Aquistion and Disposition (A&D) book will probably show the firearm going back to the distributor or manufacturer. If you didn't take possession your name is not associated with that firearm except on a form 4473 that shows you intended to buy that firearm.
Sale was completed when they took your money and you passed the appropriate checks. Not having the product there at that time is a logistical issue, not a consumer/merchant one. They owe you a rifle. It was YOUR rifle once they legally sold it to you. It was no longer their rifle at that point. You have a solid lawsuit if you wanted to persue it.
I wouldn't pursue a lawsuit. Sounds like you got f*cked, and I would be pissed if I were you. Hell, I'm pissed and it didn't even happen to me. But you got your money back + $100. Like somebody else said, spend the $100 and not a penny more and tell everybody who's interested your story, how Dicks doesn't support 2A when the political pressure gets a little hot, and never shop there again. I, and it sounds like a bunch of others will never spend our money there again.
not only would I pursue it but I would file complaints with Corporate as well as the BBB