AG Eric Holder's new campaign: to ban homeschooling

The only reason for the "Prussian Model" compulsory public education system we have in place is to make people compliant sheep capable of pushing buttons and pulling levers but not capable of critical thought. People that are capable of feeding themselves and running the machines that feed the state but that will follow orders without question.

Home-schooled children rarely score below public school educated children even when their parents are high school dropouts.

This (and the recent call for compulsory, government provided pre-school) is about indoctrinating children to be good Democrat slaves and nothing more. These people don't give two shits about the quality of life of these children and only want to break the back of Christianity, conservatism, individualism and Constitutionalism.

first, I really never mean all, always, never, only. I meant the families who the minute they pop out kids allow everyone else to raise them. The ones who take no responsibility for their childrens growth, learning etc. Good children can be brought up anywhere in any situation with proper parenting.

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Originally Posted by PugnacAutMortem

I gotta take exception to this comment, because not all two income families have terrible kids, nor are all two income families by design. My wife and I both work because we have to, not because we want to.

It's the families that dump their kids off on everyone else so they can both work 80 hour weeks that are the problem. If that's what you meant then apologies. But if you meant every two income family ruins their kids then you paint the picture with the most ignorant brush.

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i do think many people think they need two incomes and dont. Cut back, live within your means, dont keep up with the Joneses. There are lot of things in life we need less of. More time for family is more important than material things. Homes can be older and smaller, cars can be older and less cool.

Do I really have to say it again? OK, I will: Agenda 21. Learn about it. See it in action in our schools. Want your child to be able to think critically? Might want to find out exactly what they're being taught in those 'institutions'... 2+2=5

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Originally Posted by Clint45

As long as the child passes an annual standardized test and isn't being isolated due to neglect, abuse, or indoctrination, I think anyone should be permitted to homeschool their kids.

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Yeah, because standardized testing is the best thing ever. Just look at what No Child Left Behind (more accurately described as "No Child Allowed To Succeed") has done for us - all schools do now is teach the tests. No, thank you. "As long as the child passes a standardized test"... how about "As long as gun owners get an annual safety inspection"? And the indoctrination part? What do you think they're doing in public schools?

I'll agree with the rest, though. The hardest thing about homeschooling is the social aspect, but that can be dealt with.

My kids get homeschooled because they can't get what they need in public school. They're both gifted AND special needs; when we lived in Colorado, Cherry Creek schools couldn't provide what my son needed and wouldn't do what they were required to by law. The only way for us to get him what we needed was to A) find about $40k to pay for a special private school and then find the money to sue the district, who would then pay for the school or B) home school them. Guess what we did, after we moved out of Colorado. Oh, and the other reason we're homeschooling them? So they can actually learn. My daughter was doing the new "University of Chicago Math Program" that Cherry Creek uses, and after 6th grade still didn't know her multiplication tables, and couldn't do basic multiplication or division. Yet, she passed each grade! She couldn't write a summary, because they didn't teach her what one was, or how to write it! And this is the best, or one of the best, school districts in Colorado? My wife has been able to teach her these things. So, why do I want my kids in public school?

The schools down where I am now? Their overall, main emphasis is sports, and testing. To the exclusion of all else. Sports, the Opiate of the masses. And the now-required, all encompassing standardized testing. So, not much of a decision.

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Originally Posted by HBARleatherneck

Yes, public education has done such a great job. Home Schooled children consistently score ahead of their public school peers. Plus, most of the kids I have dealt with have LEARNED TO THINK. Not just learned what to think. The public education system is a drain on tax dollars and produces sub-par results.

Most public school high school teachers (according to multiple studies) are barely ahead of their students. If you were to take away their teacher's guides, they would fail. What education exactly does a public school teacher have, besides the piece of paper. ( not including ones specially educated in certain fields.)

And Eric Holder can fuck off.

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AH is one of the first against the wall.

Convenient this idiot supports his case by saying there's nothing in the Constitution that guarantees a right to homeschooling, and fails to realize there is nothing in the Constitution which grants the federal government the authority to establish the Dept. of Education either.

Think Hitler Youth people. Read up on the history of that and you will see what this is about.

He wants to change the way people think. He has said it in his own words.

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Originally Posted by NFATrustGuy

It boggles my mind that the federal government thinks it has the power to mandate that parents *send* their children to a designated, government-approved building to be re-educated (woops, I mean educated).

RWW

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I actually laughed out loud. Nicely done.

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Originally Posted by Troublco

Yeah, because standardized testing is the best thing ever. Just look at what No Child Left Behind (more accurately described as "No Child Allowed To Succeed") has done for us - all schools do now is teach the tests. No, thank you. "As long as the child passes a standardized test"... how about "As long as gun owners get an annual safety inspection"? And the indoctrination part? What do you think they're doing in public schools?

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Well, although MOST homeschoolers have the best intentions and actually teach their children the same subjects they'd learn in a public school, there are a lot of horror stories too. Believe it or not, some parents would just claim to "homeschool" their kids without teaching them anything: either to use for unpaid labor, or to prevent them from telling anyone about abuse at home, or to prevent any semblance of socialization with people outside of their weird cult. I agree 100% that NCLB was designed to fail our children, teachers, and schools . . . but if you claim to be "homeschooling" your kids, having their knowledge be tested once a year is quite reasonable and a safeguard against abuses. Believe me when I tell you that "homeschooling" has been used simply as an excuse to pull children out of public schools with no attempt made to educate them.