My cat scratches kitty litter over objects which are more fit to run this state than that O-Hole-controlled sycophant.
My cat scratches kitty litter over objects which are more fit to run this state than that O-Hole-controlled sycophant.
I don't think the people's votes mean anything anymore, but I don't really think it's a conspiracy. I refuse to believe that a person or a group of people would be so much more intelligent that they could conceive and realize such a massive undertaking (all in complete secrecy, for some unknown purpose). I believe there are people out there with the power to influence events, but their choices are all 50% luck, just like everyone else. They're just luckier than most. Bronco Bama makes mistakes almost daily, and he just lies and talks his way out of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by rondog
I believe that all the problems we face today are not the result of some puppetmaster, but rather human nature. Or the nature of civilization, or society. It's on autopilot. There's no fixing it, no changing it, no going backwards. You stick your head up, it gets cut off. You yourself dared me to stand up for my rights against a police officer the other day. Why? You desired to see me punished for standing up for my rights. You said it would be entertaining for you and everyone else here. We live in a sick society, and we're all contribute to it in one form or another.
A person can be smart, people are stupid. And when you do stupid thing after stupid thing, for hundreds of years, it catches up to you. It compounds and grows exponentially, and we're witnessing it right now.
I just don't believe in fighting the system at this point. The system is not evil, per say. Democrats are not evil, or stupid, they're just a product of the system.
I'm just going to live my life, in the manner I see fit, and I'm going to leave a ton of guns and ammo to my kids. We're never going to be able to fight the system, but when the system breaks down, we're going to need to be able to fight.
It saddens me to agree with this. The truth is, many, especially in the population centers that control the vote "NEED" someone to feed them, shelter them, and tell them what to do. If given freedom, they will behave badly.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalmeow
Hickenpooper is not worried about being re-elected, he is wanting to pull a Salazar and get on a Presidential committee or some other BS post on his way to "bigger and better things".
He is not worried about anything in Colorado except proving his loyalty to the regime.
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Originally Posted by rondog
The sad reality is that the democrats won the 2012 elections in Colorado. The Democratic agenda IS being represented by the elected officials. Their constituents DO want gun control and unfortunately their representatives are serving it up. I don't think there's a conspiracy, they are simply acting on their philosophy.
Okay, I haven't seen anybody suggest this (but, admittedly, haven't looked through each and every post):
Eight words:
RECALL ELECTION FOR ANYONE WHO SIGNED THE BILL
What, in my mind, should be done is to initiate a recall election for each and every . . .<expletive deleted>. . .who signed the bill.
From what I understand, we'd need signatures totaling 25% of the number of votes cast in their most recent election to get this initiated.
Yes, it means work. . .a lot of it. But there are ways to do this.
First, I'd recommend making a sale to the national gun-rights organizations. Explain to them how supporting this cause will have a snowball effect nationwide. If we show here, in Colorado, that an elected official who votes anti-gun will have to face a serious threat of being recalled or elected out of office, then politicians on all levels will notice.
Imagine, for an instant, if the NRA donated 3 pages in their precious magazine asking gun-owners nationwide to donate to get Colorado anti-gun politicians kicked out of office.
Imagine the fear it would strike into the hearts of anti-gun politicians everywhere to see their state-level brethren pried out of the body politic like infested ticks with massive amounts of money thrown at a recall election campaign.
It can be done.
Every state rep and even Hickenlooper can be forced to deal with a recall.
At the very least we'll start draining their funds for their next elections.
We cannot let this stand. . .it's as simple as that.
-Nut
Three words: Colorado Ballot Initiative
Initiatives (also referred to simply as Amendments) are amendments to the state statutes or to the state constitution proposed via petition by citizens, and must be signed by a number of registered voters equal to at least 5% of the total number of votes cast for all candidates for the office of secretary of state at the previous general election. Upon acceptance, the initiative is voted upon during the next statewide general election.[1] Amendments are designated by number. The number assigned to a measure when petitions are circulating is generally different from the number ultimately assigned to an initiative when it is placed upon the ballot.
There is no difference in Colorado, as of July 16, 2008, between the requirements for placing a statutory change, and a state constitutional change on the ballot, or approving such a change. Colorado Referendum O facing voters in November 2008 would change these requirements by requiring more support at the petition stage to amend the state constitution than to amend a state statute.
According to the Secretary of State's website, a total of 1,722,096 votes were cast for Secretary of State in 2010. To get an initiative on the ballot to repeal each of these bills if they were to become law, would require at least 5% of the total SoS vote, which is 86,105 signatures. If the pot heads could do it...
I'm unemployed right now but I could stand in front of a Home Depot and collect signatures.
Here's the letter I just wrote to Hick:
Governor Hickenlooper,
Thank you.
Originally, this message was intended to be a persuasive explanation of why HB13-1224 and its related gun control laws are bad ideas. However, it has become clear that your mind, and those of your compatriots, have already been made up. So instead of trying to convince you not to sign a bad law, I write to express my appreciation.
You see, when you were elected, you had my full support. Both during the campaign season, and subsequently, I have not just defended you, but promoted you to my conservative friends and family. “He’s a Democrat,” they said. “But look at his record - his business record - his political record,” I replied. “Hickenlooper is a smart businessman who will make good decisions for Colorado. If he had an R next to his name, you’d love him. But just because he has a D doesn’t mean he’s not the right guy.”
I even defended you to a state senator last summer, when I cornered him over the civil union debacle. I thought the Republican handling of that law last year was a travesty, and I told him so. I told him I thought you were the right guy to lead Colorado. “Send me fifty Hickenloopers,” I told him, “and put one in every state. Better yet, send a hundred Hickenloopers to the US Senate, and we’ll get good lawmaking that will help this country.”
As it turns out, I couldn’t have been more wrong.
By now, you have heard all the reasons why these proposals are bad. Should I rehash that the 1994 AWB had no impact on crime? Need I ask you how a pistol grip or adjustable stock affect the lethality of a firearm? Should I note that both the Columbine and Virginia Tech shootings took place under magazine capacity limiting legislation? Would you care for me to mention that for the entire history of the USA, civilians have had the same firearms at home as the military took to war? Would you recognize that while magazine capacity, firearm, caliber, and many other gun-related distinctions separate the different mass shootings we’ve suffered over the years, the common thread running through all but one is that they occurred in “gun-free zones”? Does it matter to you that the proposed magazine capacity legislation is so poorly written that it actually bans the most common sporting shotguns in America? Dare I question the fallacy of limiting magazine capacity so that a brave soul should stand close enough to a shooter to tackle him during a reload, yet should wait for that reload before moving in?
Is there any consideration being given to the obvious will of the people of the State of Colorado in this matter?
Apparently, the facts don’t matter to you or your fellow Democrats. Emotional testimony has been heard, but only given weight when supportive of these bills. A woman who had a gun but, in compliance with the law, left it in her car and was raped, is “on the wrong side of statistics,” while a woman who was defenseless by choice and shot by a lunatic is paraded around the country like some sort of circus act. Logic and reason have had no place in this debate.
Yet at the end of the day, in the House and the Senate, none of this surprises me. Dumb things happened last year when the Republicans were in charge, and dumb things are happening this year with the Democrats on top. I expected all this. However, what I did not expect was for you to fall in line so easily. I did not expect you to take the party line. I did not expect you to ignore the reason, and ignore the logic, and give in to the rhetoric.
So, thank you. Thank you for the reminder that when the chips are down, that D next to your name matters. Thank you for the impetus to get involved. I’ve never gotten into politics beyond a yard sign for one of my favorite high school teachers that was running for the school board, but that’s changed. You can count on my active involvement - not just financially, but in terms of my time and effort. Thank you for spurring me to action, and for the critical reminder that I cannot trust a politician to do what’s right - that they can only be counted on to march with their party.
“Thank you,” said the frog to the scorpion. “Thank you for this lesson. I will put it to good use.”
(wreave)
Colorado resident since 1984
Most the people that were voting Dem in 2012, were voting for women's health. If the Dems had come out on a stage or a commercial and say "And by the way we are coming after every firearm in the state and the country," they wouldn't have made it.Quote:
Originally Posted by DYoung
People got sucked in, they believed they were voting for "progress" and voting against an outdated way of looking at things...they failed to realize the unintended consequences of putting these people in power.