Senate Reached Bipartisan Deal on Background Checks

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Originally Posted by Rucker61

After July 1 here, we'll have to get BGCs for sales to family members.

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No that is wrong

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Originally Posted by Clint45

Actually, it sounds like it only applies to COMMERCIAL sales. With the exception of C&R, which requires a federal license, black powder rifles, and antique rifles over 100 years old, all "internet sales" shipped through the mail already require transfer through a FFL.

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For the C&R's, are you sure it's 100 years and NOT just 50 years old?? Unless we are talking about two different matters, my C&R instruction book shows 50 years to qualify as being a real C&R but this does not include replicas thereof.

c&r's and antiques are different thing. c&r's are firearms on the c&r list. antiques are firearms 1898 and earlier.

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Originally Posted by sniper7

No that is wrong

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I see where "bona fide" gifts and loans to family members are exempted, but not sales.

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Originally Posted by Rucker61

I see where "bona fide" gifts and loans to family members are exempted, but not sales.

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And who exactly is going to SELL anything to a family member[facepalm]

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Originally Posted by KellyTTE

The only exception at this time is 'word of mouth' only. So if you've ever posted it on a forum or dicussed it at a meeting, 4473.

This is defacto registration via paper, inevitably BATFE will get caught compiling the data and some mid-level flunky will get 'reassigned'. But make no mistake, given that 4473s 'live' forever, this is the first step to a national database of gun owners.

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To bolster this point: I recently had an FFL tell me that If/When an FFL Quits/Retires they are required to send in all of their paperwork to the ATF for them to dispose of by law. Hmmmm, no room for abuse their!

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Originally Posted by Hound

To bolster this point: I recently had an FFL tell me that If/When an FFL Quits/Retires they are required to send in all of their paperwork to the ATF for them to dispose of by law. Hmmmm, no room for abuse their!

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Correct! When I turned my FFL 01 record book a few years ago, the BATF told me specifically that those records would be entered into their computer.

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Originally Posted by jim

And who exactly is going to SELL anything to a family member[facepalm]

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I'd buy or sell a gun with my brother or uncle.

I read many pieces on this deal yesterday; they all seemed contradictory. BUT I did see something mentioning 48 hour background checks...how does this affect gun shows that pack up and leave in 48 hours?

Is this the real purpose: to greatly diminish gunshows? If so, wouldn't that interfere with commerce and therefore be open to a legal challenge?

ETA: a link to one such story

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/0...856.html?hp=r1

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Originally Posted by jreifsch80

c&r's and antiques are different thing. c&r's are firearms on the c&r list. antiques are firearms 1898 and earlier.

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A C&R Licensee would handle a 60 or 70 year old firearm that is NOT listed on the C&R "List" as a C&R. As long as it was manufactured at least 50 years prior to the current date then it is considered a C&R and should be handled accordingly. So, the Licensee would not have to be concerned about it being an "antique".