Loved the Garden Trailer APV. :)
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Loved the Garden Trailer APV. :)
the whole vidieo looks like a" hey yall watch this moment " ,spent the whole time waiting for someone to trip and shoot someone in the back of the head , or a stray to punch through the tactical cardboard and hit the camera man .
When I attend tacticool class, I will be wearing my old Jofa Hockey helmet. [hahhah-no]
I'm not claiming to be the lowest drag, highest speed operator because I ain't. I won't play internet resume. But I know what a house clearing exercise is supposed to look like. I've seen it done right, and I've even seen it done half-assed. That ain't even half-assed. That's comic book SEAL TEAM SIX s**t.
I don't know who the heck is running that "school" but he should be run out of town on a rail covered in tar and feathers.
Tactical Fatty needs more time at the static range before he heads back into any class environment. His gun handling and footwork are the stuff of legend. He looks like he's going to tip over at any moment.
LMAO!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Cylinder Head
Instead of all of the shit talking going on here, most likely by guys who have no idea what they are talking about, why not give some advice or offer solutions to help a Colorado Firearms business out?
That video has too much fail to even state.
Hey, at least Erika's hot ...Quote:
Originally Posted by MrPrena
That is why they get tons of hits from viewers. IMHO. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Aloha_Shooter
Anyone can be a YouTube Sensation. I remember when they first posted their stuff on YouTube.
I had to take all my over 1mil viewed firearm videos off of my YouTube at around 2008, because I was starting a job.
At that time, 1mil hit was 10x harder than now. Best way is to get hit was the good "tag" words PLUS few hotties from CU grad school to shoot some firearm.
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Originally Posted by lowspeed_highdrag
I don't know how many people in this forum have actually trained in room/building clearing, let alone actually done it under conditions; but as always, there seems to be quite a bit of armchair quarterbacking...
And no, I am not saying what they are doing is right; but how many on this forum actually know what they are doing wrong?
Edit: and if you don't think "sweeps" happen, that's the first indicator.
You're right they happen. Any video of just troops in Afghan moving around you see it. The difference is for it to be a class with at least one "noobie" that kind of thing is far from safe. It's something several non gun owners that have seen it can recognize and cringe.
Some may be too much arm chair, but in this community there is certainly enough who this is their profesion to be able to say that is headline news waiting to happen.
Perhaps the students would be better served using paintball guns to train under these conditions, so that mistakes are merely painful and embarrassing, rather than potentially fatal. No doubt, sweeps DO occur under extreme training conditions by highly trained individuals, but it quickly becomes obvious that these students were NOT that advanced. I have essentially no experience and may be way off base, but in any other skilled discipline, you learn to walk before you run in the Olympics...
I stand behind everything I said in post #82.Quote:
Originally Posted by <MADDOG>
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Originally Posted by HoneyBadger
Both of you gentlemen are correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoneyBadger
What I AM trying to point out is those on the forum, are those with little or knowledge of any given subject (pick your poison), interjecting his/her $.02 worth. And it happens forum-wide; let it be LE issues, Remington is better than Savage, 9 vs 40. etc, etc...
And again, I am not saying what they are doing is wrong or right. And my short rant begins here: unless you have LE/military experience in these matters, or any other subject matter while I am it (and no, NRA "certification" does not qualify you), you need to put the X-box away and/or turn off the You-Tube, get away from the paper silhouette at 100 yards, sit down, and shut the fuck up. You have no experience or justification to comment on anything.
At the end of the day, I have far more respect for these Paul Blart mall cops over shit talkers, because at least they try to train (however bad it may be), which is probably more than a majority on this forum. If one of these guys catches it in the brain-bucket, so be it. At least they died training and/or doing what they liked/loved instead of ridiculing people on the internet. <rant over>.
If this offends you; pound sand. I hit the audience I was targeting...
They must really not like those T-shirts.
This is actually pretty funny. You have more respect for those who train like tools and actually put their lives in danger? Give me a freaking break. That video just made me laugh at loud at how ridiculous and dangerous it was for all of those involved. It is a perfect example of Xbox gamers thinking that they can transfer that bullshit into some sort of tactical training.Quote:
Originally Posted by <MADDOG>
The negative posts in this thread have been absolutely spot-on whether or not these folks have actual "CQB" experience is not relevant. You don't need any to see that this video is complete crap.
On another note, just because you are law enforcement (SWAT) or in the military DOES NOT mean that you have actual CQB experience. I have witnessed good SWAT and absolute shit SWAT over the years. The same goes for the military. There are very few units that are proficient in CQB due to the amount of time and training it takes to achieve any level of proficiency.
Continue to defend this crap because it makes my days go by faster.
First of all, check the title of the thread. OP is doing the community a service by making sure Tactical Fatty isn't armed. The day that guy manages to channel Travis Haley instead of Clarice Starling while clearing a cardboard room is the day I will refrain from commenting.Quote:
Originally Posted by <MADDOG>
I have a real question. What is the preferred "ready" position with a pistol when sharing a space with other people? I can see why they are holding their guns vertical so as to not sweep the others, but I was under the impression that was kind of old school thinking.
If people want to be productive with this thread, let's start there.
MADDOG, you could not be more wrong. The video shows that the "training" is badly and recklessly done. Their basics are wrong. They orient in rooms incorrectly, they engage incorrectly and their weapons handling is incorrect and all of it is flat out dangerous. Competent training instils those basics and hones them before having them demonstrate it with live weapons.
And you can put your sand back where you found it - in yer britches.
When someone does EVERY Fken Sht right, there are risk getting injured. However, it MIGHT be minimal near zero.
Why increase myself getting shot?
Can I save myself a fken-time by crossing the Interstate Hwy/Freeway , and not take the overpass? I GUESS I CAN.
Success rate can be over 99.999% to cross the major busy interstate hwy, but I am NOT willing to take that stupid unnecessary risk to save lousy 5 minute of my time. I will take the overpass every damn time.
I am not a gamer nor keyboard commander. If it is the case, I would rather fken be a g-damn YouTube and/or gladly play a war video game console than a guy who EXPONENTIALLY increase their risk to getting shot at a undisciplined kill house.
Just horrible weapons manipulation... From every aspect of the discipline.
The COD crew hasn't learned that it does take a bunch of time at the range with real bullets fired to develop the discipline to try something such as shooting in enclosed spaces with others near by.
Practice........ then the big game. Never the other way around.
This post is as full of FAIL as the video.Quote:
Originally Posted by <MADDOG>
I would say a lot of folks here have the basic gun handling knowledge to comment on their gun handling skills. The guys in that video lacked these basic skills.Quote:
Originally Posted by <MADDOG>
I thought it looked like a Charlie's angels tryout/blooper video.
here is the key piece of information you are forgetting. they made a video out of it, complete with music and everything else, to try to make it look badass, mostly for marketing. if you do that and show big mistakes in safety, people are going to harp on that. if nothing else, the camera man is ridiculous. sweeps happen in real life, you bet, but at that point your life is on the line already and its the last thing you think about. you train avoiding sweeps so that hopefully you limit them in the real life situations as much as possible.
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Originally Posted by <MADDOG>
stationary cameras (without a camera man ) , paintball might be a better idea for people starting out , better wall system , better shot placement and less mag dumping (that comes with experience so i really cant fault the instructors for that ) .Quote:
Originally Posted by lowspeed_highdrag
1. They arent interested in receiving any help.Quote:
Originally Posted by lowspeed_highdrag
2. Some things that should be changed include:
- Lengthen the course. Trying to take people from 0 expereince to the point where they are doing 4-5 man entries is bordering criminal. Most basic CQB courses have a single person doing limited live-fire entries after 2 days.
- Stop using pyro. Using smoke grenades in a non-ballistic shoothouse (use that therm loosely) with low-skilled shooters is unsafe
- Get the camera people away from behind the targets
- Correct people when they muzzle other students
- Can the ballistic masturbation. Mag dumps on single targets with no regard for accuracy or ammo management is the sign of the low level of understanding of the material possessed by the instructor
Thats a few things off the top of my head. [2cents]
I was tought a slight variation on Sul. That was many years ago. Don't have any clue as to what the modern thinking is but Sul seemed to work well for me and the people around me. The only real problem with it, that I saw, was that you were at max compression so there wasnt much time to react and reorient for bad-breath sudden reactions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irving
I've attended a few courses where room clearing was job 1. IF and when an issue arose. THE people involved were stopped immediately. The RO's (Multiple) were right there and literally grabbed / contained the shooter from behind when & if a muzzle sweep was starting to happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by <MADDOG>
Did i ace the courses not every time. the room clearing was the most stressful / adrenaline charged part. Mistakes do happen. mistakes are corrected there and then. Not put out on the internet. Open to criticism, not ignored.
HoneyBadger hit it perfectly... Have you ever been in a CQB training situation? Real world CQB? I've been in training and they mess you up bad if you sweep someone. What they don't show in those BUD/S videos is how many pushups and how many instructors are in your face if you sweep a teammate. Safety is serious shit. I wouldn't go out with the guys in the OP... ever. They just wanna look cool, and I'd rather look uncool and not get shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by asmo
The second video- wow... cameraman on the firing line, DOWNRANGE from hot weapons? WTF? And what's the deal with the 360 turn around thing? One moment of lax and someone could get popped. [Bang]
it would have been better if the pyro set the cardboard on fire. then it would be awesome !
needs MOAR fire !
Is the vid/people in the vid up for a darwin award?
I cannot believe such video is being defended.
Yes sweeps happen, and when they did, we cleaned the barracks over and over and over and over.....[mop]
I'm playing catch up after a great, practically 4-day, weekend. *Habitat for Humanity on Friday* does that count?
Without reviewing all of the comments in this thread, I'll say this... They're lucky no one ended up dead or in the hospital, and the intentional practice/training of pointing your firearm straight up in the air is nonsensical. Haven't they heard of the SUEL position? Each time I see more of these shooting videos and have range days with new guys, I'm reminded of how EVERYONE has more to learn and efforts to improve ones methodology should always be sought.... no matter how good you think you are. AND SAFETY MUST ALWAYS COME FIRST! ALWAYS!!
I have _zero_ experience in anything of this sort, but it sure seemed to me like the guy was practically trying to hug those tshirts he got so close when engaging.
I have to admit I was actually so focused on her nice ass I didn't even notice the cameraman standing next to the targets the first time I watched it. I can't help it, I'm an ass man.Quote:
Originally Posted by bogie
Where is the hot chick?Quote:
Originally Posted by akumadiavolo
Like wise. breast sure they're nice. But a nice pair of legs and attractive ass, WINNERQuote:
Originally Posted by akumadiavolo