I'm sure a slew of folks thought the same of their Japanese and German friends too about 68 years ago............Quote:
Originally Posted by cofi
We cannot afford complacency
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I'm sure a slew of folks thought the same of their Japanese and German friends too about 68 years ago............Quote:
Originally Posted by cofi
We cannot afford complacency
I completely share in Berts views on this.
If you look as the infiltration of the "religion of peace" everywhere across the planet you'll see that once their numbers are high enough the peace starts to fade, violence and non-Muslim intimidation becomes the norm. It's already starting here in America along with their push to institute Sharia law (which, to date, has been shut down, but...). We have a President and liberal majority hell-bent on eliminating the Constitution which is the ONLY protection against the eventual implementation of Sharia.
One day you'll look back and wonder how you could have been so naive.
Agree, and agree with Burt. That's all I'm going to say on the topic, because I was [-] close to calling Ridge some very choice names, and we all know name calling gets us nowhere, besides I kind of enjoy hanging out on this forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by theGinsue
To be fair, judging all Muslims by the actions of Hasan, the Tsarnaevs, and al Qaeda is somewhat like judging all Christians by the Westboro Baptist idiots. My frustration stems in part from the fact that most Christians of any other denomination condemn the Westboro crowd and it's hard to find the Muslims openly condemning Hasan and al Qaeda. If anything, CAIR pops up EVERY time there's an act of violence tied to Islamic extremism to accuse everyone else of Islamophobia while pointedly ignoring any request they recognize there are such things as Islamic extremists. It's like Hillary loudly proclaiming no one can question her patriotism or that of other Democrats when no one HAD questioned it -- all at the same time they were actively undermining any efforts to protect the country just because the guy doing the protecting was a Republican. JLook at how many people are claiming poor little Djokar is an innocent being victimized by the US.
As a general rule, I don't believe in conspiracies but there is a convenient overlap of agendas between anti-Western/tradition leftists and the anti-Jewish/Christian/Western Islamists.
Look at the foundations of the religion.
Christian foundations are laid out in the Bible. The Bible says nothing of killing non-believers as a practice to achieve salvation.
Muslim foundations are laid out in the Quran. The Quran says a lot about enslaving and killing non-believers as a practice to achieve salvation.
In my opinion, Westboro's behavior directly conflicts with the teachings of Christ.
"Hate" is not a part of the equation.Quote:
Originally Posted by cofi
Know thine enemy.....
+1,Quote:
Originally Posted by BPTactical
and be ever vigilant.
Bert first off you know we love you to death over hereQuote:
Originally Posted by BPTactical
But going by your statement here are you saying that we should have killed/interned/kicked out all the Japanese/Germans in our country??
And as far as sharia law goes.....come on guys wtf I watch Fox over here 24/7 and even I think that's a lot of bullshit were going to all of a sudden as a society start chopping people's arms off???? Get rid of the laws this country was founded on?
Not suddenly. Look up incrementalism. As an example look at the way the liberals have been nibbling away at our gun rights. And property rights. And other rights. You can also look at England and what they are doing in Europe.Quote:
Originally Posted by cofi
Any free, tolerant society is self destructive in the end because it lets those that don't believe in freedom achieve power.
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Originally Posted by cofi
No Ian, going by my statement simply infers that many Americans were quite surprised to find that many of their Japanese-American and German-American friends were sympathetic to their home countries cause during WWII. Many German-Americans returned to "The Fatherland" to answer the call as did a number of Japanese-Americans.
Do you realize that German-Americans were interred here in the states and even here in Colorado, Fort Logan to be exact?
We were a different nation then.
We as a nation had unity and we all had the common sense to NOT welcome the enemy to dinner.
Look at us now Ian.
We have Islamic sympathizers/ideology in all aspects of our government, from our highest offices of leadership, our military, our judicial system, our educational system, our medical system.
The Islamic creep you could say....
The Hasan case is a perfect example. Clearly this was a case of an individual committing his own personal Jihad on US military personell. We all saw that and the evidence was overwhelming.
But our system is afraid to call a spade a spade.
"Workplace Violence" my ass, he was not a disgruntled employee that got passed up for promotion, or got a pink slip, or his old lady was banging his boss.
He was a terrorist.
As far as Sharia in the states there are numerous examples of Sharia being practiced here. Honor killings, teenage daughters being beaten and killed for wearing western clothing etc. All been tried in our courts and so far, Constitutional law has prevailed.
So far.
The "Creep" continues, but we are too politically correct to stop it, we might hurt somebodies wittle feelers..
And the majority of the population laps it up like a pussy at the milk bowl.
We have become a nation of ignorant and complacent fools and we are going to pay a terrible, terrible price.
*LIKE*
Well said Burt!
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Originally Posted by Ridge
Interested to hear about this distinction. Do you just mean than all Catholics are Christians, while not all Christians are Catholics?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gman
Did you read the MotherJones article? Communist authors aside, Hasan has been communicating with Al-Qaeda for years and planning his attack since just after he got out of med school. He was reprimanded several times for behavioral problems and given additional counseling and supervision while working at Walter Reed. He was a major because he commissioned as a Captain after med school.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ridge
Did you have a vendetta against Christianity or what? The number of Catholic Priests who chose to become sexually abuse minors is only a mere fraction of all Catholic Priests, and is a much smaller ratio when compared to the rest of society. They received all the attention because everyone expects Priests to be perfect, but they are still human and are still vulnerable to sin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ridge
(There have been almost 1 million Priests, Deacons, Brothers, Sisters, and Seminarians in the US since 1950 (conservatively assuming an average of 20 years of service as an ordained minister and according to these stats: http://cara.georgetown.edu/CARAServi...urchstats.html), and according to bishopaccountability.org, since 1950, 6275 have been accused of sexually abusing a minor. Low estimates assert that .08% of all priests have committed sexual abuse of a minor and high estimates put the percentage at .6%. The Annual Review of Clinical Psychology review of pedophilia and ephebophilia estimates that as much as 12% of the American male population has pedophilia or ephebophilia. Putting that into perspective, 1 in 8 men you encounter in your day-to-day life are [statistically] pedophiles or ephebophiles. Looking back at Catholic Priests, somewhere between 1 in 166 (on the high side) or 1 in 1250 (on the low side) are pedophiles or ephebophiles.)
As for your opinions about the crusades, try doing some reading from a legitimate source: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04543c.htm
Warning: History Lesson Is Coming:
The Crusades were a poorly guided attempt to unify Christians, end wars between Christian rulers, take back Christian Holy Lands (such as Jerusalem), and then eventually to free oppressed Christians who were engulfed in the escapades of warlords who were in direct conflict with the Pope, but falsely operating under the Papal flag. Constantinople was captured by French Knights who were not acting under the authority of the Church. In battered efforts to make peace, Pope Innocent III began bargaining with rulers around the Roman and Byzantine Empires, who then tried to make their own profit. Obviously, this peace effort failed, and it wasn't until the late 13th century that "crusade" became a political move more than a religious rejoining as regional rulers saw no profit in aiding the Church's efforts. The Crusades ended when Kelaoun, leader of the Mohammedans, broke the truce which he had concluded with the Christians and seized Margat which was shortly followed by the surrender and loss of all Christian towns in Syria and what is present day Israel.
BOOM! FACTS!
Awww I guess I should have read page 3 before I typed my novel... Looks like Aloha beat me to the punch on this one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aloha_Shooter
Absolutely right! Look at all Christian nations and study their cultural standards. Then take a look at all Islamic nations and study their cultural standards. Christian countries resound with liberty, individual rights, love, tolerance, and acceptance. Islamic nations resound with war, death, oppression and suppression, no liberty, no equality, etc. Not exactly what I would consider "civilized".Quote:
Originally Posted by Gman
Westboro is a story all on its own... I would not consider them Christian, but I'm not the judge.
If you can't see this happening all around us, try connecting to the internet and taking a look around... [shithitsfan]Quote:
Originally Posted by SAnd
Not all Christians are Catholics. There is no membership or denomination required to become a Christian. There are tenants within the Catholic church that don't follow with Christianity, so I can understand why some have referred to it as a cult.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoneyBadger
The Catholic church has a well documented history of attempting conversion by the sword or even torture.
The Crusades were ordered by the Pope, not Christ. The Bible speaks nothing of this type of "authority of the Church". The Biblical New Testament "church" are the believers in Christ, not a sect, denomination, or building.
ETA: I found this to be a pretty straight-forward Biblical approach to the "authority of the Church";
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Originally Posted by Gman
Lol don't want to get too crazy off topic here, but since I brought it there and there doesn't seem to be much more to say about the piece of sh!t Hasan, Please explain what "tenants within the Catholic Church" don't follow Christianity?
The Catholic Church, created by Christ Himself, IS the Christian Church. Am I wrong?
I don't want to take this too far off topic, but it's Catholic Doctrine that says Christ founded the church. There is nothing in the Bible about Catholicism or its structure.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoneyBadger
This may touch a nerve for you.
What part of Christ's teachings would have led to the Dark Ages?
While this course of conversation is interesting, it has a great potential to blow up into arguments and hostilities.
We went from discussing Nidal Hasan to Islam to the differences in the various forms of Christianity.
As such, let's immediately turn around and get back onto the OP topic or we'll have to shut it down.
Thanks for your cooperation.
I apologize that the moral equivalency argument took us off the primary subject.
Video: http://video.foxnews.com/v/264747282...-as-terrorism/
Lawmakers push to reclassify Ft. Hood shooting as terrorism
I couldn't find this in print, but we are not alone in this act of terrorism being labeled as "workplace violence"
he got the shave today
http://www.dallasnews.com/news/state...-in-prison.ece
It's a shame the firing squad was discontinued. I'd be tempted to volunteer for the squad and drop my shot a few feet when I did it. It's that darned follow-through thing ...
There are some folks that are allowed to have them to a degree. I seem to recall a Sihk officer I believe who was allowed to have one but had to keep it short.
There have been several religious waivers granted through individual military branches.Quote:
Originally Posted by HBARleatherneck
I do not rely on Wikipedia for the most accurate information, but depending on the question in mind, it often has good information:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religio...tates_military
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ngh_Rattan.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by stoner01
Army Captain Tejdeep Singh Rattan stands with classmates at Officer Training, wearing the turban and beard for which he was granted permission based on accommodation of religious practices, 2010
That's the one I was thinking of.
He's been forcibly shaved... Seeing as I used to have to do this in a past life (Army Prison Guard), I can tell you that this is not a pleasant experience for anyone involved.
What exactly are you trying to hint at, HBAR? Please just come out and say it.
This is my boo-hoo face for Hasan..
I signed a contract that specifically told me that I had to adhere to a grooming standard. that standard states that I need to be clean shaven. I believe that (now) Prisoner Hasan signed a contract that stated the same. Only when (in the middle of his contracted time) he wanted to
The contract signed by CPT Rattan (above) stated something different. It's part of HIS contract, not mine.
When someone enters the Army as a Chaplain, they are not required to extend themselves beyond their beliefs, as the beliefs having been directed by the sanctioning body (however you want to describe it) that gave them their license to be a preacher/holy man/pastor in their particular religious sect.
Different folks have different contracts.
Sikhs are allowed to wear beards and still be in uniform. The problem with Hasan was that his claim of religious requirement was demonstrably false because he had no problem being clean shaven until he was arrested for murdering and wounding so many of his fellow soldiers.Quote:
Originally Posted by HBARleatherneck
The military standards of short hair and clean shaven were really hygienic requirements that started with the mass induction armies of the 20th century. Beards and even long hair were relatively common in the 19th century.
Bottom line for me though is that the armed forces are volunteer, not conscript, these days so everyone coming in has made a conscious decision to do so in spite of any standards or regulations that annoy/bother them. This isn't a cafe where they can say "I'll have the no-deductible health care plan and free flu shots but I'll pass on the clean pressed uniform and shaving every day".