There sure are some people very confused in this thread. The motorcycle gang had no right to pursue the SUV and attack the driver regardless of earlier events. And already members of the gang are being arrested reportedly.
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There sure are some people very confused in this thread. The motorcycle gang had no right to pursue the SUV and attack the driver regardless of earlier events. And already members of the gang are being arrested reportedly.
Meanwhile in Russia.... Ouch.Quote:
Originally Posted by davsel
Crap...I only have 15 rounds. You know...since that's a safe number and all.Quote:
Originally Posted by kidicarus13
[Score]Quote:
Originally Posted by davsel
The approach and takeoff were dynamic, he held beautiful form through the triple somersault and really stuck the landing! The Bailey judge gives this rider:
8.5
Gonna have to disagree with Judge #1. As the rider takes flight there is clear indication said rider failed to keep their legs together. Thus a sloppy landing occurred. I will give him 9 on the dismount.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
I ride a bike like those in the video. I have talked to a bunch of my bike riding friends..... General consensus is that both sides went full retard. Nobody in that video is "right". It is just one 'wrong' added to by another.... Repeat. They should all spend a few days in jail.
General consensus of a homogeneous sample does not make it a true statement. It just demonstrates that a bunch of people who think exactly the same agree with each other.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hound
NYPD doesn't seem to think the Rover driver went "full retard". And I agree. The video certainly doesn't support that "consensus".
And a couple of guys drug the driver out of the Rover and attacked him with a knife...they should spend a "few days in jail"?
General consensus would have included talking with an equal number of Range Rover owners who had previously been surrounded by 75 agitated bikers to acquire their input as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hound
Wow, start fights often? I was saying that a group of us bike riders think both sides are at fault. That seems a pretty moderate statement... But you go ahead and try to spin it..... There are no "true statements" on here. None of us were there. We are all just giving our opinions about it. Unless you think you have the truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by PugnacAutMortem
I own and shoot an AK-47. Therefore, every time I see a video showing a pack of taliban shooting their AK-47s (at whoever), I will come to their defense.
Now that my friend...thats funny[ROFL3]Quote:
Originally Posted by bogie
Bah hahahhaha.Quote:
Originally Posted by bogie
Sent from my teepee using smoke signals.
I wasn't assigning "fault". I was marking out targets. The criminal bike yahoos were all all valid targets.
Suffice it to say, the biker's who tried to Reginald Denny the driver of the Range Rover got lucky: things could have gone far worse for them.
The driver was at the command of a hell of a weapon.Quote:
Originally Posted by hatidua
Here's another way to think about it: Due to their maneuverability the bikers held all the de-escalation cards. No matter how things started, because the bikers wouldn't let the RR driver get away they assumed all blame for what finally transpired.
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Apparently NY is considering charges against the Range Rover drvet for leaving the scene of he initial "accident". They say he should have waited for police to arrive. Their take is had he stayed put, he wouldn't have run over one of the [criminal] riders which resulted in major injures including paralysis from the waist down with his back broken in 2 places.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
My take is that the rider who got run over should have picked better friends to associate with & shouldn't have parked his ass in front of a vehicle his friends decided at violently attack. Additionally, I think that the Range Rover driver knew he was severely outnumbered by a demonstratedly violent group of individuals. He had no idea how far they were willing to take things & he had his wife and child to protect. Wait for the police to arrive? For how long? It's possible when the police fially arrived they would have found a slaughtered family.
Hound, both groups went fill retard? The bikers were just lucky the Range Rover driver didn't go full Mad Max as I expect I likely would have done. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes -- of course, there's no guarantee that the person awardng the prizes isn't going to get a little backlash. In my case, I'll take that risk as I have better odds doing that than just praying the pack mentality of a group like that knows not to go "too far".
trueQuote:
Originally Posted by PugnacAutMortem
That was funny..Quote:
Originally Posted by Hound
It would be way funnier if the "bikers" had done this to Obamas motorcade...I wanna see that Suburban with the mini gun open fire! After all they are Obamas sons...
That video is from 2011, but is the same event and probably a lot of the same guys. There are several versions of the chase video posted online. The first one I saw had the brake checking incident edited out, as well as the RR driver yelling out his window, so it was unclear who was at fault. Looked like he just clipped a motorcycle, braked for a few moments, then bulldozed through everyone. Did not see anyone attacking or approaching his vehicle until the first time he stopped in traffic. Did not look like his tires were flat either. Lots of conflicting versions of what happened. Does not seem like a very well organized event and most of the riders were not wearing club patches and may not have even known one another, appears to be some unapproved "rally" organized through social networking sites. Unlikely most of the riders even knew what was going on with the SUV other than it was an apparent felony hit & run. They seem like a bunch of squids from the 2011 video. I heard that prior to the brake checking incident he may've tried to sideswipe a couple of bikes or force them off the road. Don't know if that is true or not. Also heard that about 50 bikes were impounded. Lots of rumors and speculation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jmetz
Makes me think of the people with the attitude (as a pedestrian) of, "I've got the right of way. Hit me and I'll sue your ass off!" I don't know how many times I've heard people say something similar, but I always remember how stupid I think the person speaking must be to think that way. I have to wonder which option the paralyzed guy would take in hind sight. Sue from a wheel chair, or live the rest of his life normally?Quote:
Originally Posted by theGinsue
This wouldn't of happened if Range rovers, Horns, and Motorcycles where banned. (Yea Sarcasm) Things can get out of hand quickly, surprisingly no one died.
Yeah because nothing would have happened to the driver if he'd stayed on scene. I ride but it's pretty clear to me the riders were the @rsehats in this little scenario. Quite a number of them deserve tickets for endangering the public, impeding the flow of traffic, etc. and everyone who participated in beating the RR driver should be charged with assault and battery with intent to kill. Anyone who helped stop the SUV was an accessory. I'm always sorry when someone ends up a paraplegic but in this instance it would appear to be a case of ironic justice.Quote:
Originally Posted by theGinsue
See this link for the jackassery of the bikers from earlier that day.
http://oppositelock.jalopnik.com/the...603736/@orlove
I have not condoned the bikers actions, they were out of line also but you don't run over people and "its OK". BOTH sides made mistakes and NONE of us know how this started. If I pulled up and was trying to pull a fellow rider (no matter how stupid he was originally) out from under the RR and then get run over myself.... Ya, not thinking that is "OK". Plainly it is a Hit-and-run, wether it was justified is up to a court, where the full story would come out. If the RR tires were "slashed"..... how did he drive that far/fast? I don't know, niether do any of us. The RR panicked, that many angry people around I can see why but does that give him the right to run over people? People were hurt here and even if it was justifiable that is not for anybody here to decide... We don't have the full picture.
Please cite your source for this. Appears you are making a few assumptions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hound
I understand that the family of the injured turd is claiming their angel jumped into harms way to rescue a fallen comrade.
However, there remains the possibility their thug relative intentionally placed himself in front of the vehicle in order to block its escape, while the thug's douche bag buddies gave the driver a beat down in the middle of the freeway.
Why not take your own advice and wait for "the full picture" before claiming, "Plainly it is a Hit-and-run."
Or you can sue them and get bionic legs with some of the court money you wonQuote:
Originally Posted by Irving
[Pop]
It may not be "OK" in the purest sense of the word, but if someone purposely stops my forward motion and a few dozen of that person's cohorts wish to cause me/mine harm, you can bet that person in front of me is going to get an up-close personal view of my transfer case as I roll on over.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hound
This!Quote:
Originally Posted by hatidua
I was just telling the wife last night, "the scene would have been much worse if it were me, and I wouldn't have even had to get out of the truck".
The news report didn't say how he got into a crow of bikers. I wonder how did he get caught in the middle of a biker gang, usually when people see a gang like they they slow down and let them pass.
Someone just posted some undated videos from one of the guy's helmet cameras, possibly the same group earlier that day.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3cd_1380579664
Reminds me of pretty much every third world country I've been to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Clint45
They are active in NYC, what else would you expect to see? lolQuote:
Originally Posted by bogie
If only they were in San Francisco.Quote:
Originally Posted by HBARleatherneck
It would be a treat.
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Originally Posted by Hound
Then by your own definition of "Ok" its not ok to shoot somebody in self defense, right? The video starts with an accident, they happen, the shitheads on the bikes decided instead of pulling over and exchanging info like adults, they surrounded the RR and started vandalising the vehicle. Maybe the guy who got rear ended on the bike would have just pulled over and handled it like an adult, nobody will know. His shithead associates became a very threatening force and the RR did the best he could given the situation. If he sat there they would've destroyed his truck and hauled ass, probably with no consequence's. The bike guys screwed up by posting the video, they think it was cool, typical low IQ gang mentality.
The guy in the hospital has this report on his record...
Edwin E. Mieses, 26, of 17 Bernard Ave., Nov. 28, charged with operating a motor vehicle after license was revoked, illegal possession of a Class D narcotic, operating a motor vehicle with defective equipment and on five outstanding warrants;
Arrested Again in May, Since 1999, he has been ticketed by police 16 times, in Lawrence, Methuen, Roxbury, Andover, and New Hampshire, according to registry records.
In June, the Registry notified the National Driver Register that Mieses was a habitual traffic offender whose right to drive in Massachusetts was revoked until 2017, records show.