But they *do* have time to go after FFLs who abbreviate state names.. Makes perfect sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gman
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But they *do* have time to go after FFLs who abbreviate state names.. Makes perfect sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gman
Doesn't exactly give us a lot of confidence in the BATF system - huh?Quote:
Originally Posted by asmo
I have always felt like the FFL's are forced to act as agents (like employees) for the BATF but get zero compensation for all the applications/4473's, filing and record keeping that must be maintained in absolute perfect order that they are truly FORCED to do.
i rather doubt if the FFL's maintaining spotless records are ever recognized for their super record keeping/WORK.
They do get compensation, their business. Everyone in the market must do it so it isn't unfairly on certain sellers. The buyers just pick up the cost.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlasterBob
merl, you are correct in that the FFL is somewhat compensated by being allowed to be in business and he can remain in that business (as far as BATF is concerned) just as long as he doesn't screw up the 4473's on a chronic basis and if there IS a chronic screwup of completing/maintaining the forms, he can then be put out of business by the Feds. They might not take his FFL license away but they might STRONGLY recommend he give it up and if that recommendation is not followed, they can really be "on his case". You are also correct in that the FFL here in Colorado will be paid for his time for his administrative duties of making the phone contact with CBI and doing all the paper shuffling. However, I believe the FFL's in many of the States, other than Colorado, are still required to complete and maintain the same paperwork but doubt if they are charging $30 - $50 for their service like so many of the Colorado FFL's are reportedly to be charging. I am NOT saying this to be critical of charges being made by the various Colorado FFL's!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by merl
Seems like our Legislators may have figured that the charges for the BCG and the administrative charge made by the FFL might just discourage a good number of transfers from ever taking place. IMHO
Of course, any barrier is a good thing. Buying a gun is often a multi-hour experience which discourages it (the instant check has always been >1hr for me). I don't particularly enjoy waiting in a store for an hour or having to make two trips.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlasterBob
I bought an AR lower receiver at the last Tanner and the background check took 2 minutes. It took longer for me to fill out the 4473 than it did when the nice lady pressed 'SEND' on her keyboard to get the approval back.
once you figure out most of the violations of the 2nd A and all sort of other crap starts with a licence, it does make senseQuote:
Originally Posted by asmo
What is that anyway? A useless piece of paper, some at extremely high prices, that the State makes you buy in order for them to not fine, jail, kill you. Pay off $ to your neighbor, the government worker
Funny thing is most people absolutely love licenses
Why didn't more of the people show up to say how long it takes. The dipshits that would see us in chains think it takes 2 minutes and $10 to transfer guns. I have never been out of there in less than 2 hours but I thought that was just me.
You must have bad luck? With the exception of Christmas and panic time it has taken me longer to fill out the form then to get the approval. They came back approved almost instantly. Of course I would prefer not do have to do it all all (or have to pay for it).Quote:
Originally Posted by DOC
Bad luck or similar name to somone or my distant past haunting me. Just know the effect is a long wait.Quote:
Originally Posted by mtnrider
Or perhaps the times have been reduced since the $10 fee went into effect?
The $10 has been in effect since early last year. They implemented that almost immediately so I doubt that has anything to do with it. I could believe similer name, or past etc causing additional delays.Quote:
Originally Posted by merl
I really believe the $10 charge for a BCG has been in effect LONG before "early last year".Quote:
Originally Posted by mtnrider
Well, We started paying for it directly early last year.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlasterBob
Its all erosion.
Maybe we are talking about two different things.Quote:
Originally Posted by mtnrider
Started LAST year???
That may well be but the vendors at the Colorado gun shows have been charging for background checks at the shows for a few years now. Some may have been including the $10 in the overall price of the firearm but we have been getting charged for those BCG's since the law was passed some years ago. That law required ANY gun show transfers/sales/swaps, even made by those walking the aisles when they bought, sold or swapped a firearm with other non-FFL's, they must still have a BCG made and the FFL's were not allowed to charge more than $10 if made at the show. Again, that policy was started years ago.
The fee the FFL's charge is not the $10 CBI fee put into law July 2013.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlasterBob
They now collect that fee in addition to whatever they charge, whether it is for a retail sale or private transfer. I think you're confusing the $10 fee most FFL at gunshows charged with the new CBI mandated fee. Most FFL don't add a BGC fee, other than the now mandated CBI fee for a retail sale.
It's what brutal said. FFL fee + $10. Makes me sleep safer at night.
Apparently we are talking about two different situations. I had mentioned the mandatory BGC at gun shows which was first covered by Colorado Amendment 22 which required a BGC at all Colorado gunshows. This requirement was covered by Article 26.1, 12-26.1-101 and was effective March 31, 2001 (almost 13 years ago).
12-26.1-103 indicates, Fees imposed by licensed gun dealers. For each background check conducted at a gun show, a licensed gun dealer may charge a fee not to exceed ten dollars. So I am sure a lot of dealers may not have charged that ten dollars and just absorbed the fee IF the firearm was actually sold by them from their inventory - but if some guy in the aisle wanted to transfer his personal firearm to another individual at the show, the dealers would normally charge the maximum (at the time) ten bucks. It amounts to the same thing dealers are currently doing at the shows but have now added their administrative costs to the ten bucks. Back when that Amendment 22 came about, the ten bucks was the maximum they could charge for acquiring the BCG and transfer processing when made at gun shows.. Maybe no one will agree with me on this one.