Damnit, now I want to try it and see what breaks. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by HBARleatherneck
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Damnit, now I want to try it and see what breaks. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by HBARleatherneck
I find the urge to buy a Mini comes up watching 1980's action movies, but then I look at the current price and think better of it.
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Originally Posted by fmj50
What threw up on that?
How much $$ you have tied up in that rig?Quote:
Originally Posted by fmj50
Look, I've always really wished I could like the Mini 14/30 because I do like the M1A/M14 (even though there are better semi auto .308s) and the M1 Carbine, so I'm not trying to be a dick here. If you're happier with a Mini 14 over an AR that's fine but to say that the Mini is a better gun than the AR overall is just factually incorrect (once you set aside purely subjective nonsense).
Oh well I guess this means we'll all have one less person to compete with next time there's an AR buying frenzy. :D
This thread makes me want to buy one for shits and grins just to see what I am missing.
Just the target.Quote:
Originally Posted by rbeau30
TouchéQuote:
Originally Posted by Irving
$800?????? I would rather just get an AR
http://www.big5sportinggoods.com/sto...5#.VZ8pWvlViko
[LOL][LOL][LOL][ROFL3][ROFL1][ROFL2]Quote:
Originally Posted by Irving
798 degrees Kelvin BURN!
Stu winsz teh thread!
This:
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Originally Posted by rbeau30
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Originally Posted by BPTactical
Well played Irving
When I was building my very first AR, I "dry fired" the lower by itself hundreds of times before I read that it was potentially damaging. Never broke anything. Still shoot that lower the most. Probably has 2000+rds through it after the separated "dry firing". [Dunno]
never owned or shot a mini 14. Never wanted to.
I'm of the opinion the older Mini-14s got a bad accuracy rep from the very course front sight blade. At 100 yards the blade will almost completely obscure a regular-sized silhouette target. I had an older Ranch Rifle that would group about 6 or 8 inches at 100 yds with the irons...but scoped it would group around 1 or 2 inches with the same ammo.
I still have two (that I NEVER shoot)...an older, late 70s vintage GB model and a new (never fired) "LE" model. I keep 'em around now for sentimental reasons.
This thread reminds me that I Miss the "Your Gun is Poop thread", so I bumped it [Coffee]
IMHO the Mini 14 was one of the very few flops that Ruger has produced.
Yes on the mosin, no on the mini.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave_L
Beautifully said. Eugene Stoner's design has lasted the test of time.Quote:
Originally Posted by MOLON LABE
He had a couple last week.Quote:
Originally Posted by fmj50
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/07...e6138a5a1e.jpg
It's also not a good sign for the mini 14 that Ruger started making ARs. If even Ruger is jumping on the bandwagon, that can't be a good sign for the mini...
Like Stag lefty I sold my mini when I got into ARs. Never did miss it.
As to indoor vs outdoor. My great grandfather was sickened when he first heard of indoor plumbing. Said it would be over his dead body before anyone took a shit in his house. LoL
I wouldn't go that far. The Mini-14 was (and continues to be) a commercial success. It has been popular as a general utility gun. I just wouldn't say it "beats an AR-15 any day" as the OP did. Stupid regressive liberals (I'm sorry, that's double redundant) will certainly be more alarmed at the appearance of a cheap tacticool AR than a Mini-14 ranch model. As much as they like to say "you can't judge a book by its cover," they do that constantly so if your objective is to be armed with considerable firepower without inducing panic attacks and knee jerk pants-wetting, the Mini-14 is a safer bet than an AR. I kind of like seeing liberals wet their pants or bark mindlessly so I prefer the AR. [Coffee]Quote:
Originally Posted by Mazin
Again, the ONLY reason the Mini series of Ruger rifles stayed in production was Ruger essentially gave them away to LE agencies.
I encountered a guy at the rifle range one day that was shooting a Mini 14 and preaching the gospel during target changes to all that would listen that AR-15's were junk, couldn't be depended on when SHTF, and that the Mini was the way to go, when pressed for why he had chosen the Mini 14 as his "ultimate survival rifle" and after pointing out that no Military of substance has ever issued them, that few LE agencies still carried them, that mags were twice the cost of PMAGS, and that his rifle could only hope to shoot 2-3 MOA- he replied that he just didn't like the AR-15 and that his Mini 14 worked and he saw no real reason to switch.
I tend to view such folks as the Amish of the shooting community, yes a horse and buggy still works as a daily commuter, but even Ezekiel Schmidt wishes he had an F-150.
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Luddite is the word that comes to mind for me. I think we've already heard that the mini-14 would make a great hammer too.Quote:
Originally Posted by MOLON LABE
There was also the fact that for quite a few years the Mini was literally the cheapest centerfire semi-auto you could buy apart from the M1 carbine. And the fact that the Mini fired the 5.56/.223 made it, literally "the poor man's AR."Quote:
Originally Posted by BPTactical
Then around 1989 or so, the Chinese started shipping SKSs and AKs to the US in bulk and undercutting the price of the Mini by quite a bit. It didn't hurt that the Chinese also sold 7.62x39 ammo at fire sale prices that undercut the price of .223 by a fair margin (this was long before you could get bulk Russian 5.56.)
Ruger tried to jump on the bandwagon with the Mini 30 after their failure with the XGI (who remembers that? I do!) But even then, shooters could buy 3 SKSs for the price of one Mini 30 (and IMO the SKS is a superior rifle anyway. I'd even go so far as to say the SKS is superior to the AK but that's a topic for another time.)
Once everybody and their brother with a CNC machine started making AR lowers the entire reason for the Mini 14 to exist disappeared. The fact that Ruger still even makes them is either a testament to their determination or their stubborn stupidity.
What if, Ruger brought back the XGI, .308, and made it to accept AR10 pmags, and priced it under 700.00, huh, then what would you guys think.
A folding stock 308 with pmags, maybe a factory quad rail, yeah................
Problem is they have to retool everything and as good as Minis continue to sell, I don't think they will do that, but since their 'management' changes, who knows.
I still think someone should set up a 120 round semi rapid fire test of the Mini vs AR at 50 yards, one second between shots, off a bench, and prove to the world if one is more accurate or more dependable than the other once and for all. I think it would be close to equal. On video of course. Anyone agree, or volunteer for the AR team?
You basic M4 configuration AR, My 581 with barrel stabilizer and iron sights only.
Remember, no offense intended, but talk is cheap.
Can we just stamp a Confederate battle flag on the Mini-14 and this thread.
It seems like the time has come for these old symbols to go. [Sarcasm2]
Don't insult the Stars and Bars in such a manner...Quote:
Originally Posted by cstone
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Originally Posted by fmj50
Just a question: Why does the mini get accurizing parts but the AR has to be standard M4? Shouldn't it be stock mini vs stock AR?
The only reason the South even lost was because the Mini-14 was never adopted by their military.
Of course we'd like it (if it worked) but the likelihood of them bringing out a .308 XGI are virtually nil to begin with and if they did it would likely be more than twice your $700 price. They would be better off building an AR10. Furthermore it wouldn't make the Mini 14 any better (its kind of like you're saying "you should LOVE the Chevrolet Spark because they also make the Corvette").Quote:
Originally Posted by fmj50
That's some funny shitQuote:
Originally Posted by Irving
How many mini-14s exist? Im guessing looking at serial numbers... maybe 700,000.
How many Ar-15s exist? Millions are made every year. I dont know but that says something. Or maybe people are telling Bill Ruger what they think about his Zumboing us.
doesn't matter. A $500 PSA AR can easily handle 150rds at less than 2MOA. Why fifty yards? Why off a bench? Why with 1 second between shots? How does this have anything to do with dependability? Under these circumstances, your souped-up Mini may very well be "equal" to an AR. But that's totally irrelevant. That's like saying that an F150 and a Frontier are "equal" because when it's raining on the highway in June at 7000ft, they can both seat about the same number of people.Quote:
Originally Posted by clodhopper
Man, you just don't give up, do you? [LOL]
hahahaha I love this place.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoneyBadger
Mini-14, AR-15... what's next? Maxi-16?
Because I shoot at Cherry Creek and I have severe spinal stenosis and need to sit.
I once read a historical novel about the Confederate battle flag winning the War of Northern Aggression and it turns out that all the South needed was some time traveling, racist, Afrikaners to give the Confederacy lots of AK 47s.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irving
http://www.amazon.com/The-Guns-South.../dp/0345384687
I seriously hate alternative history. Even the term is moronic. If it is an alternative than it isn't history and the rest of the world knows it as FICTION!
But the alternative North could have beaten the alternative South if some time traveling, Jamaicans had given the Union Mini 14s. I'm sure of it. [gohome]
And yet ... Harry Turtledove is a nice guy.
If the barrel stabilizer works as advertised then why don't you see if Ruger will give you a contract to make them for thier 14's and 30's? [Don't forget me if you make millions]. If you've got a solution to an accuracy problem I think that's great. But I believe there's more to the 14's lack of mass acceptance as a duty/patrol ready rifle than a lack of accuracy.
Folk's that own a 14 and cannot afford a new AR-15 could greatly benefit from economically enhancing their Mini 14/30, but to hope for everyone to run out and buy something that no Military or Law Enforcement in todays world would ever adopt strikes of wishful thinking.
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How about my AR15 with a can cannon upper shooting blanks. I'll lob cans of coke more accurately than your mini 14. I will however need more than 1 second to reload.
That's just funny!Quote:
Originally Posted by Irving