You are correct sir... trying to do more things than my feeble brain is capable of this fine Monday morning. I meant first seed in the AFC.Quote:
Originally Posted by buffalobo
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You are correct sir... trying to do more things than my feeble brain is capable of this fine Monday morning. I meant first seed in the AFC.Quote:
Originally Posted by buffalobo
And the run game didn't get going against the Chargers until Manning came in. It's not like the run game has improved drastically under Osweiler either:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jer
Rushing with Manning as starter: 106 and 3.85 YPA
Rushing with Osweiler as starter: 126 and 4.45 YPA
The running game has been improving all season long and I place the late success more on CJ Anderson finally getting healthy and the o-line figuring out how to run block. They still can't pass block to save their life but at least Manning takes less drive ending sacks than Osweiler.
Both QBs have their strengths right now, Mannings is more suited for a post season run. Manning was getting better as the season progressed, up until his injury. Brock has been getting worse as defenses continue to perplex him. The fact is that right now Brock is easier for defenses to scheme for and that completely negates any physical advantage he has over Manning. Manning can change the play at the line enough to keep defense honest.
I think bringing in Manning had a psychological impact on both the Chargers and the Broncos. It seemed to energize the Broncos and deflate the Chargers.
I love this meme. I cheer every time that miserable cheating bag of crap loses.Quote:
Originally Posted by Madeinhb
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"Spygate" is well-known as a hit job, considering literally every other team in the league was doing the exact same thing. The "cheating" was a completely inconsequential technical violation.Quote:
Originally Posted by yz9890
"Ballghazi/Deflategate" not only had laughably weak evidence in the Wells report, but the amount of deflation was also completely insignificant. Even IF it had actually been a nefarious plot, it would've hindered the Pats more than help them by way of miniscule reductions in velocity, and making it more difficult to make grabs.
People hate success when it doesn't favor them. Make no mistake, the Pats aren't where they are because of cheating. They're there because of brilliant and obsessive dedication to game study, terrific front office work, and building/retaining talent. Gronk was drafted 42nd in the 2nd round. Brady was pick 199 in the 6th. Chandler Jones was taken 21st, and Hightower 25th in 2012. Hate 'em all you want, but the Pats are right up there with the Spurs for the most dominant dynasties of the last 20 years.
Yeah, i've heard that rationalization before.
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The sad truth is that the entire AFC sucks. IF the Broncos happen to make it to SB 50 they will not fare well against a far superior NFC.
You are living in the past. The Seahawks are beatable. The panthers are beatable by this defense. Ditto the cardinals.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doc45
While it's true that any team can lose on any given Sunday, it's hard to find an AFC team that has a decent chance of beating the Panthers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doc45
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That's why we play the games. We can say anything about teams on paper. Comes down to one team's will to win in the trenches, play calling. Damn the Chargers were moving the ball against our Defense when they had no O-line and on paper we should have shredded them. Maybe that would have panned out if we did not have five turnovers.
Last time I heard the stadium that loud when Manning came in is when Tebow came in. Tebow carried that for every home game into the playoff game vs the Steelers. Only thing I can equate it to is when the headliner comes on stage even when the opening band was very good.
Hope the home field advantage is not squandered and the 12th man shows up.
I would have to agree. It is glaringly obvious when you compare the Pats to someone like the Browns who squandered and chewed up so many great draft picks. One organization is built better from the top down to produce a team that is contending every year. Broncos also have that and we should be grateful versus what has been done to the other pro teams in Denver.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZERO THEORY
"Maybe" that would have panned out if we did not have five turnovers?? Those turnovers were undoubtedly why Denver didn't have a blowout. The O line wasnt doing so hot until the Schofield situation was addressed; funny how 23 came up with a nice TD run on that side shortly after. Sometimes I wonder if I was watching the same game as everybody else because other than Talib running the wrong route on williams the Chargers did not move the ball very well. Before that bomb to Williams, Rivers had less than 150 yards of passing. Say all you want about that D, but to hold the Chargers to only 3 points on the first 4 turnovers is pretty damn impressive.Quote:
Originally Posted by SamuraiCO
Oh...and Tewho??
The defense kicked ass. The Chargers should have one that game. I forget the exact stat but a team hasn't won a game with a +4 in turnovers in like 30 some years.
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Originally Posted by Graves
I just brought up Tebow because unless you were there you would never really know or feel how differently the crowd and the team played. Hard to explain but it definitely made a difference. Guess another example is when TD went in for a migraine during the superbowl and came back out it really lifted the team. Same for the Elway run and helicopter hit and bounced back up. Probably same emotional adrenaline dump with the team and Manning. And the lineman change was no fluke as well.
I remember it, I wasn't there, but as a one of the fans pissed about our 1-4 season to that point, I'm sure it's safe to say that the excitement wouldnt have been much different with ANY supposed up and coming QB stepping in to bench Orton.
But to win a championship game against the NFC you need offense that can handle their defense-the Broncos, as much as I'd like to see them do it, will fall short.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamnanc
If, and it's a big if, Cj can be healthy, and they use him as a bell cow, they can open up the pass game like they used to. The line has to do its job as well. Hillman is a good back, but we misuse him. I wouldn't mind seeing a few two back sets with those two as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doc45
Hell, I don't even know if they'll make it that far. It's been a Jekyll and Hyde team for the last couple years.
Well said my friend, well said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamnanc
Is it just me or does anybody else think that the Patriots spent the entire night on the phone bribing ref's. You know they don't want play the Bronco's here. So I'm sure they got out the check book to make sure the Steelers win. Just sayin, cheaters cheat!!
http://yourteamcheats.com/Quote:
Originally Posted by Big E3
Did you watch the Broncos patriots game? I'm a Denver fan, but the patriots certainly didn't get any ref help in that one.
I bet it's different today.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamnanc
I was wrong!
Good luck next Sunday against NE playing the way they did today.
That was exactly what I was saying as time was running out. If the offense can't put points on the board then they're done.Quote:
Originally Posted by hurley842002
Agreed. Very strange looking offense. I can't picture this team beating Carolina. Maybe they can take the patriots, but as my kids would say, probs not.
That O-line is a sieve right now & the receivers can't catch a damn ball. If those two groups can't figure it out then it doesn't matter if it's Peyton, Brock or Elway in his prime... they need to protect longer, open up some rushing holes and catch a damn ball! NE will eat them up with their schemes if they show up looking like they did tonight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamnanc
What do you mean? The O-line gave Peyton enough time to lay down, get back up without being touched and throw the ball 34 yards. And it was one of the few passes that wasn't dropped by the receiver.
I also like when the rest of the team decided early on that they didn't need Peyton always walking up to the line and yelling at them. So they decided to just snap the ball right to the running back when Peyton wasn't looking. To bad it didn't work out better.
I was waiting for someone to post that website. It's one made by a couple of butt hurt Pats fans with a very questionable subjective rating system.Quote:
Originally Posted by izzy
If the D lets us back and duck pass and intercept and force fumbles and waddle all the way to the lombardi, then that's just the face of football today.
Wins don't have to be pretty to count.
I believe that was a internal play... Considering they were running it in practice..Quote:
Originally Posted by Big E3
Not a fan of the sport. Based on what i read here and the blurbs from t.v, it was a sorry ass game they played. Fortunately the opposing team was worse.
Win is a win. That is why the games are played. I think the consensus is we would feel more comfortable if the Broncos were playing more consistently on both sides of the ball. But the team finds a way to win. Broncos made no mistakes with turnovers and the Steelers had one.
Can't you guys just be happy? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by SamuraiCO
We cheered when the Broncos won. It was ... Fun!
I am worried that Tom and the Gronk will tear the Broncos apart.
This Bronco team has beat the Patriots already once this season. It can be done. Patriots lost to a shitty Dolphins team that cost them the #1 seed. They can be beat. Broncos sack Brady three times like they did Ben and take him off his mark, perform a little better in the red zone they can beat the Pats.
I have always been a fan of Denver since before John. Was it just me or did the Defense look a little slow last night. Like for most of the game they were just chugging along going "well were not down by much yet" then kinda come to life? And many of the dropped passes you would have thought that Payton had a bionic arm.
Alright, done being a downer. Going back to my theory of... We were just holding out yesterday so the pats don't have tape on the real offense. . 2013 offense will be displayed this week. F the patriots. Let's see Tom cry.
That spotty offense and stellar defense have taken down 3/4 of Denver's opponents all season long. It's not like they were ever super hot and then coasted - hell, Denver had a better or similar last 6 games than anyone in the AFC, except Kansas City.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamnanc
Will it be enough next Sunday? Who knows... "Any Given Sunday" style.
For what it's worth, I think Brady will end up being the higher-regarded quarterback, and the 2001-20xx Patriots the best regarded overall team of the time period, though both Peyton Manning and Tom Brady will be enshrined in Canton on their first eligible ballot.
Amen to Tom crying, though - that'll really energize him for the 2016 regular season!
Especially with Hightower back in the mix. The Pats aren't a defensive powerhouse, but they play smart. And that's dangerous when an offense is struggling to make their designed plays work, because unless you've got Rodgers or Roethlisberger, extending the play and improvising rarely works well for 4 quarters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jer
One play doesn't equate to good play. The youngsters have been inconsistent, and Mathis isn't exactly living up to the hype he had in Philly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big E3
Denver's offensive line is... offensive. A lot of focus falls on Tom Brady & his coach but that defensive front 7 is stout! If Denver loses that will be the reason even though the marketing is cleverly billing it as Peyton/Brady bowl 17.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZERO THEORY