Stop all back pay for government employees and pay for Elected officials during furloughs except military (they need to get paid no matter what)
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Stop all back pay for government employees and pay for Elected officials during furloughs except military (they need to get paid no matter what)
Yep, I saw an article put out by them. You have to have direct deposit with them for at least two months, and the max they can lend at 0% is $6000.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aloha_Shooter
I'm happy to say our Army friend has his check deposited in their USAA account, so it's an option for them.
I believe I also saw something about Navy Federal Credit Union also offering something similar.
Guess I should have said "Black sheep". Thanks for setting me straight.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGrey
And yeah, I have weathered more than one furlough. Course I didn't get the back pay. But like you and everyone else, I have the option to find a new job. As a result of one of those furloughs, I did.
Cavalier? really? whatever.
I retract my initial statements about the concept being unfair to the govt workers who are subject to the situation. Grey has cleared up my opinion that govt workers don't appreciate how good they have it and expect special treatment. It is clear that they could care less about the issues others may have experienced in life and are only concerned with the tribulations of their own lives regardless how inconsequential they may be. I stand with Mazin.
[shakes head at ridiculous state of affairs and wanders off to more important matters]
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Originally Posted by clodhopper
Flake is blabbing now in an effort to help his illegal alien buddies.
Gawd I HATE him and McCain.
Shame they let the woman march happen on park property...
Who has to pick up the sootikins?
I take a little issue with these statements here. "How good they have it?" Government workers don't exactly have it good, by comparison to the rest of us. Be it a file clerk for the IRS, a Special Agent for the ATF, or a lowly buck SGT with the US Army. A job is a job, regardless of if it is government or private. The only difference is that your local CVS pharmacist isn't subject to political games, like a 26 day shutdown (like was seen under Clinton in 1995), that threatens to delay or even furlough their pay. Work should be compensated, regardless of chosen profession. I have a good friend I served with who had to rejoin the army due to family medical issues. That is one benefit or reason to say "they have it good," but in reality those benefits are just a small portion of the bigger picture. Most .gov employees do a ton of work for shit pay. If you took the benefits out of the equation, it's a wonder anyone would pursue a career in the military seeing as how the pay is not anywhere near where it should be for the work and risks done- same goes to pretty much any Federal LE, and just about every single job within the government that doesn't carry risks, but is pretty important and very busy for pennies in compensation. I don't know of hardly any .gov employees who ask for special treatment. Most just ask to make an honest day's pay for an honest day's work, just like you, me or Bob who lives down the street and fixes your Hyundai.Quote:
Originally Posted by clodhopper
The headline over at FNC is "Dems blink."
Looks like the shutdown is ending, and they caved. They being Team Schumer and his posse of obstructionist democrats (a term they used for the Repubs back during the obama years). Now they want to have both sides come to the table and draft a new DACA deal- which I think is better than something they slapped together in the short-term spending bill. We'll see how it all plays out- but I do want to see funding for a wall. I read an interesting story about USASOC and CBP testing some wall designs- I'll see if I can find it.
SHUTDOWN OVER story.
Senate breaks budget impasse, paving way for government to reopen
Yay! We get to play the brinkmanship game again in less than 3 weeks. Oh, and what else is in that legislation that you aren't telling us about? Based on history, I bet 'we the people' are getting screwed yet again.Quote:
Roughly 60 hours after the federal government first shut down, a bipartisan group of negotiators in the Senate reached a breakthrough to reopen the government by uniting Republican and Democratic leaders in an agreement on immigration and spending.
The Senate headed toward overwhelming passage of a short-term spending bill later in the day Monday after voting to end debate by a vote of 81-18. The House was then expected to pass the measure and send it to President Trump for his signature, laying the groundwork for the government to reopen by Monday evening.
The spending bill would fund the government through Feb. 8 and reauthorize the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP) for six years.
Bipartisan usually means that a larger-than-usual deception is being carried out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gman
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I heard that it takes $65,000 a DAY to keep the Statue of Liberty "open" for visiting, etc, etc.
I don't know where you all stand on that piece of WTF information, but that is some shit they can shut down every other week at least....what in the world is that shit?
That cost may include the ferry service that is operated from NJ and NY to the island on a regular daily basis.Quote:
Originally Posted by Otterbatcat
One of our nations important monuments, it should be kept open.Quote:
Originally Posted by Otterbatcat
As compared to? Not looking to debate, just curios what one deems more important than another.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ridge
Ferry service are run by independent entities. The Statue of Liberty ferry service is one "authorized" by the NPS. Like concessions at ball parks.Quote:
Originally Posted by cstone
I realize that but I was just trying to provide one possible explanation for the stated daily cost. Most of the National Parks are "fee areas" now so not all of the cost is borne by the taxpayers. Much of the labor done at parks and monuments are provided by volunteers. Last time I checked, Department of the Interior does not have a significant portion of the federal budget.Quote:
Originally Posted by Great-Kazoo
One place to make cuts is things like this.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018...-in-kenya.html
Interesting. Hope it works out okay. $10 says NO ONE will shame her for not speaking the language of a country in which she's living.Quote:
Originally Posted by foxtrot
I, for one, won't be shaming her or anyone else who is in the country because their job put them there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irving
I feel it's a very important one because it signifies diplomacy and the creation of our nation (as it was a gift to the US from France, who helped us win our independence from Britain). Also it has signified hope for generations of immigrants who came here to prosper, escaping dull, meaningless lives from Europe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Great-Kazoo
On the flip side, federal government workers generally also don't have to worry about their employer going bankrupt or "downsizing" their job out of existence.Quote:
Originally Posted by foxtrot
Lots of people who lost their jobs during the 2007 - 2010 recession would love to have had that kind of job security. So it's a tradeoff.
Per your last line -- that's for contractors right? I wasn't aware .civ had to reapply.
Some Federal jobs are temporary. You see that in the descriptions at USAJobs - it will say something like "temporary appointment not to exceed 2 years" or something similar.Quote:
Originally Posted by CavSct1983
I believe it has to do with whether or not Congress appropriates the $$ to keep the job funded.
Full disclosure: I've been a federal (GS) employee since 2006. ;)
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It's my sincere hope, then, that as a contractor I can be more like Ron and less like Tom.
Technically from a Constitutional Originalist perspective Only the Navy Department and State Militias were mandated. The Army was only to be called up during a time of war, made up of conscripts that had at best militia training and drilling experience. It would be hard to argue that we as a nation NEED a full time standing Air Force, or Army. Our involvement in all the undeclared brush wars and “Police Actions” has lulled us into thinking we do, but we don’t.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gman
The missions filled by those two services are adequately handled by The Navy Dept. and the 50 States National Guard. Not a popular viewpoint, nor will it get anyone elected to higher office, or become the law of the land anytime soon, but its true. Combined the Navy/Marine Corps Air Wing has the third largest Air Force in the world with the ability to launch from Air Craft Carriers anywhere in the world. The deterrent provided by dozens of nearly undetectable ICBM carrying Submarines, and THE best Infantry in the World provides a monopoly of force projection that leaves enemies and allies alike in a state of envied awe.
https://www.heritage.org/constitutio...52/army-clause
https://www.heritage.org/constitutio...53/navy-clause
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I was speaking generally of 'national defense' to keep it brief, but the details are fun. The founders didn't like the idea of a 'standing army'. The punchline to all of our military prowess is that our borders remain unprotected.
Congress barrels toward spending deadline with no deal in sight
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WHITE SULPHUR SPRINGS, W.Va. — With a shutdown deadline looming Feb. 8 and no long-term deal at hand, congressional Republican leaders said Thursday they will have to pass yet another short-term spending bill next week to keep the government open.
House GOP leaders are eyeing a spending bill through March 22, aides said, though that date could change. It would have to pass early next week, as government funding is set to expire at the end of next Thursday. Without a new funding agreement, the government would shut down, as it did for three days in January.
Yet attempts to reach a longer-term deal have faltered amid a larger dispute over immigration and disagreement between the two parties about spending levels, as well as reluctance among some conservatives to sign off on massive new government spending in an election year. The three-day partial shutdown late last month was precipitated by Senate Democrats’ demands for protections for undocumented immigrants brought to the United States as children, called “dreamers,” an issue that remains unresolved.
As Republicans gathered at the Greenbrier resort in West Virginia for their annual retreat, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (Ky.) insisted the government would stay open.
“I don’t think we’ll see a threatened government shutdown again over this subject,” he said. “One of my favorite old Kentucky country sayings is ‘There’s no education in the second kick of a mule,’ so I think there’ll be a new level of seriousness here in trying to resolve these issues.”
Even so, it seemed unlikely that House and Senate negotiators would be able to strike the bipartisan, two-year budget deal they are striving for ahead of Feb. 8. Even if they do, lawmakers would need weeks to turn agreed-upon figures into complete spending bills for all the agencies of government.
Next week’s stopgap legislation would be the fifth short-term “continuing resolution” of this fiscal year, a situation that is causing frustration and finger-pointing on all sides. That includes within GOP ranks, which could jeopardize passage of the resolution as conservative lawmakers and defense hawks both threatened Thursday to withhold their votes.
Rep. Mark Meadows (R-N.C.), chairman of the conservative House Freedom Caucus, said his group might not support another short-term spending bill without promises of action on higher military spending levels and other issues.
“I don’t see the probability of the Freedom Caucus supporting a fifth CR without substantial changes by Feb. 8 unless we see dramatic changes,” Meadows told reporters. “We’ve had the land of promise for four times now on CRs. It’s time to put some real commitment to the effort before a fifth CR.”
Defense hawks in the House have grown increasingly frustrated with the multiple short-term spending bills, contending that they threaten military readiness and cost lives, since the Pentagon is not getting the money it needs.
Rep. Mac Thornberry (R-Tex.), chairman of the Armed Services Committee, told reporters after a closed-door session with Defense Secretary Jim Mattis and Secretary of State Rex Tillerson that both Cabinet members were insisting on an end to short-term spending bills.
“The secretaries were very clear, I think, in encouraging Congress to resolve the budget issues and end the continuing resolutions so that they can manage their departments,” Thornberry said, “and more importantly, so the world knows that we are functioning and can do whatever needs to be done to protect the national security of the United States.”
Thornberry refused to commit to voting for the continuing resolution expected on the floor next week.
“We’re just going to have to see what the situation is when it arrives. Obviously there’s a lot of conversation among members at this retreat about the way forward,” he said. “Nobody wants a government shutdown, but we also cannot continue to inflict the damage that CRs inflict on the military. We can’t keep doing that.”
Overall discretionary spending levels — funding for education, housing, defense and much more — are capped under a 2011 law, and exceeding those limits requires bipartisan agreement under Senate filibuster rules. Republicans are trying to negotiate an enormous increase in military spending in the pending budget deal, which Democrats hope to match with domestic spending.
Budget deals passed under President Barack Obama in 2013 and 2015 proceeded along those lines. But now, with Republicans in the White House and in control of both houses of Congress, GOP lawmakers want to pursue a tougher posture.
Meadows and Sen. John Thune (S.D.), the No. 3 Senate Republican, suggested they might be willing to live with an increase in nondefense spending as long as the extra funding is devoted to infrastructure, a major congressional agenda item for the Trump administration. There is no indication that Democrats, who are pushing for new investments to combat the opioid crisis and beef up veterans’ benefits, would agree to those terms.
“Obviously we’re probably going to need a short-term CR,” said Thune, while acknowledging little progress has been made since last month’s shutdown.
Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) pushed back at suggestions of an impasse, declaring in a terse statement Thursday that “discussion on the caps deal is going very well.”
With the 2018 spending talks in a rut, the 2019 process increasingly appeared to be over before it even began. House Budget Committee Chairman Steve Womack (R-Ark.) said he was considering skipping the annual task of putting together a budget resolution, which sets out top-line spending levels that set the stage for the appropriations process, and instead having his panel focus on making changes to the budget process itself.
“If we spend our time just spinning our wheels on something that certainly will not have a force of law and, No. 2, is not ever going to see the light of day, it begs this question: Would you be better off spending that time doing something that will have much better long-term effects for what we do as a committee?” he said. “At the early stages of this discussion, I would say that I would support that.”
GOP senators have already acknowledged that the Senate isn’t likely to pass a budget either. In forgoing a budget Republicans give up procedural rules that allow them to pass legislation without risk of a Democratic filibuster, which all but ensures they will make no effort at major entitlement reforms or another attempt to repeal the Affordable Care Act.
The need to raise the federal debt limit is further complicating the budget negotiations. The Congressional Budget Office said Wednesday that the limit will have to be raised above its current $20 trillion level by the first half of March — earlier than expected because of the GOP’s recent tax-cut legislation. The last increase was passed in September as part of a temporary spending agreement brokered between President Trump and congressional Democrats.
Republicans have typically found it hard, if not impossible, to cobble together enough House votes from their own party to increase the debt limit. That gives Democrats further leverage to bargain for spending concessions.
The CBO’s announcement put the issue back into the spotlight, and Meadows said there are “discussions going on right now about the debt ceiling that I’m not at liberty to talk about” on ways to win conservative support for a debt ceiling measure.
Hard-liners have floated a number of proposals meant to rein in federal spending, though none has ever gotten broader buy-in from lawmakers.
Meadows said he has spoken to White House budget director Mick Mulvaney and Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin “on how we can effectively make some real reforms in that area, and based on those initial conversations, a number of Freedom Caucus members could potentially support those efforts.”
Thune said all the pending issues, from spending to immigration to the debt ceiling, could end up getting dealt with together.
“There’s sort of a pileup of things happening, all of which I think at some point could end up being merged together,” he said.
For fvcks sake, they own both houses and the presidency. Ram the spending bill through on simple majority votes.
Ride this train and downsize the Fed while we can.
Screw the criminals wanting to be citizens. Deport them all.
Cloture requires 60 votes in the senate. It's not as simple as having the majority. Plus there are too many republican douchebags in the senate like Flake, McCain, Graham, etc... 41 votes pretty much locks up the senate.
GODDAMMIT.
Passing a budget is one of the few things Congress is mandated to do annually by the Constitution, but they can't manage to do it.
As Trump prepares to unveil State of the Union, Congress struggles to do its job
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While lawmakers could still find a way to break the impasse before the Feb. 8 shutdown deadline, odds were rising that Congress will once again punt and pass yet another short-term spending bill, which would be the sixth since Trump took office.
Congress’s inability to handle its most basic constitutional task — managing the federal purse — not only dims prospects for many of Trump’s ambitions but also threatens to deepen a spending stalemate that has had far-reaching ramifications through government and the economy.
The paralysis creates instability for the military and domestic agencies that provide critical services and feeds the public’s growing suspicion toward the institutions of government in general.
It also makes the task of managing the nation’s long-term finances more difficult. Congress now routinely ignores expectations that it pay for new spending or tax cuts — such as last month’s $1.5 trillion tax cut — and there is no clear strategy to lift the federal cap on borrowing by a March deadline.
“Why do you shut the government down? Because you hadn’t passed the appropriations bills,” said Sen. Richard C. Shelby (R-Ala.), a senior member of the Appropriations Committee. “If we do our jobs and in a diligent way, things seem to work out; they always have. But now, at times, we have chaos.”
The State of the Union address begins an annual ritual where the president unveils an ambitious agenda, to be followed by a detailed budget which, in theory, provides a blueprint for Congress as lawmakers work through their own budgeting process and pass the 12 annual spending bills that fund all of government.
It’s been well over a decade since that process functioned as it was intended to. It’s become rare for even a single spending bill to be enacted before the start of the fiscal year in October.
“Budgeting is the most fundamental responsibility of governing. It sets the path for the country, and the broken budget process reflects so many pieces of what’s broken now,” said Maya MacGuineas, president of the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget.
Ahead of the Feb. 8 deadline, lawmakers had hoped to agree on a two-year budget deal that would set spending levels across government.
The GOP is eyeing a roughly $80 billion increase for military spending. Domestic agencies would get an increase of around $63 billion, though Democrats are pushing for more. Unsettled is how much of the spending would be offset by cuts elsewhere in the budget. It also remains unclear that Democrats would sign off on a deal on the spending levels absent progress on the contentious question of protections for young immigrants.
Even if they can get to a spending deal that resolves the immediate issues, there seems to be little hope among lawmakers that they can overcome the hurdles and get the overall spending process back on track.
‘$4 billion in a trash can’
The U.S. government will spend $4.1 trillion in 2018, and roughly 30 percent of that is supposed to be doled out by Congress.
When that doesn’t happen as it’s supposed to, the gridlocked spending process can’t respond to the changing needs of the nation. Congress, for example, has yet to pass a disaster relief package for last year’s devastating hurricanes in Texas, Florida, Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands. Budget stalemates threaten economic growth by fueling uncertainty for the government and the countless private companies that rely on it.
Spending standoffs can affect lifesaving agencies and research programs with bipartisan support. Senate appropriators, for example, have signed off on a $2 billion increase for the National Institutes of Health and $816 million toward the opioid crisis, but those and other spending changes negotiated on the committee level by the members with the most expertise cannot advance until the overall stalemate is resolved.
Military leaders have said the failed budget process has forced them to defer maintenance and training, and they have even linked it to accidents that have cost the lives of U.S. service members. Ships and other equipment sit idle because the military cannot make improvements, but the officials say money is often trapped in programs that don’t need it.
“We have put $4 billion in a trash can, poured lighter fluid, and burned it,” Navy Secretary Richard V. Spencer said in December. He said that money was wasted because it could not be reapportioned within the military. It could have been used to buy two new destroyers or a “squadron of F-35” jets, he said.
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...and once again there will be posturing and rending of clothes, followed by a show of cooperation, and then the politicians will sprain their shoulders patting themselves on the back for resolving a false crisis that they themselves created. Rinse and repeat.
Make the liberals actually filibuster. Make them own it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
Right now, they just take a poll to see if they have 60 votes, and if not, they just carry on attending cocktail parties.
Take an actual vote on the floor for cloture, and if they don't have 60 votes, make them continue discussion on the floor.
Call for a vote every day, multiple times per day, and let the liberals own the delay.