I've worked in the food industry several times and I can't ever remember having a conversation about reporting disease.
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I've worked in the food industry several times and I can't ever remember having a conversation about reporting disease.
Why was the anti-vaxxer's two year-old crying?
He was having a mid-life crisis.
Always the Navy way!
When I was doing an around the world "good will cruise" on a Destroyer in the 60's, every pay day you would get shots while waiting in line for your pay.
If you didn't sign up to get paid and left your pay on the books, the Corpsman would hunt you down and make it really hurt.
Well I'm pretty sure Boulder moms killed this bill. Seems to be a contradiction in their ideology.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gman
The Dems aren't listening to the freedom crowd and frankly don't need any GOP support. Given that the bill had a GOP sponsor, the support must have been so weak that is mitigated any "bipartisan" support.
Corpseman (hehe) are also good at giving sock advice.Quote:
Originally Posted by BladesNBarrels
But yes, we had shots for things that I'm sure are well beyond the civilian schedule/recommendation.
Like any aspect of life, there are risks and rewards.
Vaccinating your child from these childhood diseases and now in some cases adult onset childhood diseases is a fine line between personal liberties and public health safety.
If your child is vaccinated no real concern. However, the unvaccinated risk serious complications or possibly death.
Listening to my grand parents talk about smallpox, polio, diphtheria etc... and those in their community who were impaired, injured or died is a humbling experience. These diseases were feared, because there was not much that could be done, but supportive care.
Choices have consequences. The bigger question do some parents really understand the risks?
Measles, whooping cough and mumps have been in the news in recent years. Measles requires a community at large to have an immunization rate of 90-95% to provide effective herd immunity. As these rates decrease so does the rate of increase disease in the community.
Measles vaccination is quite effective.
What has not been addressed is the number of influenza deaths this season: approximately 59,000. Influenza is a little different infection and the vaccine effectiveness varies due to genetic changes that occur each year with the viruses that are predicted to be circulating.
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-as an aside, those over 50 may want to consider Shingrix. The first of two hurts for a few days, the second of the two is a bit worse. Having known someone that contracted shingles, I'll take the painful few days rather than the disease.
I had shingles when I was in college. I'm under the impression that means I won't get it again.
Shingles was on you, and now you're on shingles. #BeTheAlphaQuote:
Originally Posted by Irving
I realize this is anecdotal on its own, though I’ve heard so many similar anecdotes at this point that I’m unconvinced they are, together, able to be hand waved away.
One of the families at church have a HS senior who desired to go on a mission trip to Peru. She had to get the typhoid vaccine. Within a minute of receiving the vaccine she started having a reaction. Doctor’s office shuffled them out in a hurry. She now has adult onset asthma, previously never having any issues of that sort. So instead of just risking the typhoid and resultant treatment, she now has a lifelong condition seemingly brought on by a rather needless vaccine.
I'm pretty sure I know (of) one of the 1-9 who died from the MMR vaccine. That doesn't mean I'd ever suggest anyone not get it. There are plenty of anecdotal cases of side effects; but if you take the vaccines away, the disease effects are of an order of magnitude 1000 times worse or 1000 times more prevalent.... and we only avoid infection through herd immunity. Sure, 1% or 5% of the herd refusing vaccination has little effect; but why should everyone else have to bear the burden of their collective immunity? What makes them "superior" to enjoy that "right" which is only available because everyone else is providing them collective immunity? If enough people opt out, then the ancient diseases start to return, and the anti-vax argument becomes invalid... so it's really in this slim margin of superiority [it's their right not to vaccinate -because they probably won't get sick- only because it's not everyone else's right not to vaccinate] that there even is an argument.
Typhoid mortality even today is still around 1-2%. It's not in the U.S. only because of our treated water conditions. Going to South America without immunity to that seems like a bad idea to me. For perspective, the mortality rate based on registered motorcycles is 6 deaths per 10,000 motorcycles/year; and people consider motorcycles to be "risky". Now it's impossible to say "would she have gotten typhoid without the vaccine" because we lack a crystal ball, much even less "would she have died". The latter especially is unlikely; but in the balance, a part of the population experiencing side effects is better than a much larger part of the population experiencing devestating side effects of the respective disease(s), including several deaths.
Just because I love this thread so much, I'm bumping it with a story I saw today.
Jessica Biel Comes Out as Anti-Vaxx Activist, Joins Robert F. Kennedy Jr. to Lobby Against CA Vaccination Bill
https://www.thedailybeast.com/jessic...ccination-bill
Story is kind meh but you get the point... The people who consistently advocate for more government are the most vocal about this.
https://www.tmz.com/2017/02/17/justi...d-trump-media/
https://images.tmz.com/2017/02/17/02...otobooth-4.jpg
That breaks my heart.
The article or the picture?
New York ends religious exemptions for vaccines
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New York is requiring all schoolchildren to be vaccinated, even if parents have religious objections.
Gov. Andrew Cuomo signed legislation Thursday that removes nonmedical exemptions from school vaccination requirements. The law goes into effect immediately, his office said.
The move, which comes despite opposition from anti-vaccination activists and religious freedom advocates, puts New York alongside other states that do not allow nonmedical exemptions: California, Mississippi, West Virginia and Maine.
"The science is crystal clear: Vaccines are safe, effective and the best way to keep our children safe. This administration has taken aggressive action to contain the measles outbreak, but given its scale, additional steps are needed to end this public health crisis," Cuomo said in a statement Thursday.
"While I understand and respect freedom of religion, our first job is to protect the public health and by signing this measure into law, we will help prevent further transmissions and stop this outbreak right in its tracks," he said.
Cuomo signed the bill immediately after the Legislature passed it; the Senatevoted 36-26 and the Assembly voted 77-53. The bills were introduced in January.
"We are dealing with a public health emergency that requires immediate action," state Sen. Brad Hoylman, sponsor of the Senate bill, said during the vote.
New York has become the epicenter of a measles outbreak in the United States that is now in its ninth month. More than 800 people in New York have become sick, and New Yorkers have infected people in four other states.
This year, 1,022 measles cases have been confirmed in 28 states, marking the greatest number of cases reported in the country since 1992 and since the measles virus was declared eliminated in the country in 2000, according to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
The states that have reported cases to the CDC are Arizona, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kentucky, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Missouri, New Mexico, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, Oklahoma, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Texas, Tennessee, Virginia, and Washington.
Most of the cases in New York have been in Orthodox Jewish communities In Brooklyn and Queens with low vaccination rates.
Health authorities in New York say they've faced formidable challenges to quell the outbreak: anti-vaxers who specifically targeted the state's ultra-Orthodox Jewish community, bombarding them with lies that vaccines cause autism.
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Originally Posted by Gman
I think we discussed this earlier. Libs have no problem goring someone else's ox but not their own. The Orthodox are fairly conservative and don't help Libs win elections.
But when a group of Boulder moms said "no" they killed this bill here in CO. The only reason Biel is speaking out is because they will listen to her in CA.
The religious "exemption" is probably going to give them the most legal heartburn.
I'm still seeing the "my body, my choice" hypocrisy and the "medical privacy" angle.
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Meanwhile, this is fine...
5,200 people in ICE custody quarantined for exposure to mumps or chicken pox
https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/14/polit...ice/index.html
Nearby Lib got the word to agitate and posted this on the Hellsite (NextDoor)...
https://imgur.com/F8oUegS.jpg
Comments are lit!!! [LOL]
Site he posted is interesting though and has some cool data to play with...
https://www.cohealthdata.dphe.state....Details/899902
https://imgur.com/ZF7jXT9.jpg
It's hard to see a common thread here.
There are certainly lower rates amongst the fruit and nuts peoples of Colorado. The rural southeast, which I would expect has less access to care, had pretty high rates. The dot in Pueblo is interesting--that's a three range/group jump!