We'll here's to Bernie going 3rd party then!
He probably doesn't have another run in him at his age so hopefully he is thinking he doesn't have to worry about any bridges behind him.
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We'll here's to Bernie going 3rd party then!
He probably doesn't have another run in him at his age so hopefully he is thinking he doesn't have to worry about any bridges behind him.
Yeah! I'm all for Bernie going third party with all the classic Ross Perot narcissist stupidity. Maybe Bernie will surprise everyone and select Pocahontas as his post mortem vice presidential running mate and win 21% of the millennial vote with no electors. Oh heavens, we should abolish the electoral college! It would all be so delicious. We could embrace socialist chaos until the next media election scam. And the Republicans and Democrats will farce on.
Not that we should trust in our Very Wonderful Narcissist in Chief. Just because he appointed a constructionist Supreme doesn't imply he'll do it in his second term. Popularity, you know. Twitter and Fakebook, Netflix contracts. It's where it's at, where the media hangs out and where he'll find his next media bonanza, America the Beautiful. It's so, so, beautiful.
If only there had been an alternative to the Clinton crime cabal but there wasn't because the "honorable" opposition tucked tail and ran.
DO NOT ADJUST YOUR SETS:
Election results in New Hampshire show Soviet Sanders edging Buttigieg who came close behind. Meanwhile, Billionaire Michael Bloomberg was
11:55 p.m. Tuesday
President Donald Trump overwhelmingly won New Hampshire?s GOP primary,
With most of the vote in, Trump already had amassed more votes in the New Hampshire primary than any incumbent president in history.
Trump?s vote share was approaching the modern historical high for an incumbent president, 86.43% set by Ronald Reagan in 1984. Weld received about 9% of the vote of New Hampshire Republicans.
The outcome was a reflection of Trump?s strong support among Republicans and his campaign?s nearly 18-month effort to diminish any significant threats to his renomination.
Trump appeared in the state on Monday evening ahead of the vote to energize Republicans and to inject some chaos into the Democratic race.
?The Fake News Media is looking hard for the Big Democrat Story, but there is nothing too fabulous,? Trump tweeted late Tuesday. ?Wouldn?t a big story be that I got more New Hampshire Primary Votes than any incumbent president, in either party, in the history of that Great State? Not an insignificant fact!?
President Donald Trump overwhelmingly won New Hampshire?s GOP primary, but more than 12,000 votes went to a long-shot challenger, former Massachusetts Gov. Bill Weld.
With most of the vote in, Trump already had amassed more votes in the New Hampshire primary than any incumbent president in history.
Trump?s vote share was approaching the modern historical high for an incumbent president, 86.43% set by Ronald Reagan in 1984. Weld received about 9% of the vote of New Hampshire Republicans.
The outcome was a reflection of Trump?s strong support among Republicans and his campaign?s nearly 18-month effort to diminish any significant threats to his renomination.
Trump appeared in the state on Monday evening ahead of the vote to energize Republicans and to inject some chaos into the Democratic race.
?The Fake News Media is looking hard for the Big Democrat Story, but there is nothing too fabulous,? Trump tweeted late Tuesday. ?Wouldn?t a big story be that I got more New Hampshire Primary Votes than any incumbent president, in either party, in the history of that Great State? Not an insignificant fact!?
Demo and republicans all under estimate bernie.
Bernie has some following from 16' campaign and new 18+ voters.
I am not a political scientist or do not have metrics, but if bernie pick a right running mate, R winning the White House won't be easy.
We got to win those MI/WI/MN and most of FL OH PA.
I don't think manufacturing people are currently happy
If pete gets enough pts and convince those west rust belt states, I believe they will win.
People fail to realize that if Bernie got the nomination in 2016 Trump wouldn't be in office. Bernie polled much higher than Hillary vs Trump, and as close as things were, there wouldn't have been a contest. Like I've said before... confidence is also the biggest enemy you can have. It also is what got trump elected - plenty of Hillary voters were 100% sure she was safe in the election and thus, didn't go to the polls. Now, the reverse can happen. If Bernie gets the nom... then there's a very real, if not highly likely chance that Bernie's running mate will be our president by 2024. He already, 100%, would've beat Trump in 2016, and now it may be even harder thanks to confidence that T voters have. Also don't forget, on top of the young 'tards, there's a TON of retired boomers that are 100% self-interested and will vote for any "free-shit" candidate too - even if they know it'll nuke the economy, they don't give a shit what happens a minute after they croak, so might as well steal from all them "whippersnappers" that don't deserve it, anyway.
I am already prepping for nov2020.
I am currently starting to buy some firearms for cheap (huge discounts) while excess supplies last.
I really didn't buy much or may be none (dont even remember) around 2016 due to knee surgery prep.
I really wanted to buy that rpk aes-10b which was listed here on year 2016.
Oh hell. If I was a retiree depended on fixed income,MAobama and trump WOULD BE THE WORST.Quote:
Originally Posted by OxArt
Lower %rate for near free money for borrower and savers gets shit. They might leveraged some of their retirement fund on securities, but I wont be happy with this stupid levels of inflation.
Also people who had no house nor $ in stock probably dont give a rat's ass about russell3000 or ^ixic being all time high.
My 2012 cheeseburger dollar menu joke I use for financial analysts just became real.
I assure you that not many retired are not as happy with current monetary and fiscal policies.
Only way we will win is good turnout.
Maybe lots of 18+ voters who likes Bernie have a pre-election party or have midterm. LOL
As mentioned. had the dnc not screwed bernie over, i believe he would have won. What happens now is up to the voters and electoral college.
Biden's finished, thanks to the dems throwing him under the bus, via the impeachment hearings.
Warrens polling fairly low. it seems the right of the left centrist are starting to pick up steam.
Im not sure if the die hard dems are going to go with the Bern due to TDS. Or find a way to drop doomberg in that slot.
This is the sort of thing that makes me think that Trump voters are still motivated. And that there are likely even MORE on the Trump train than in 2016. His primary turnout has been off the charts for an incumbent and his rallys are bigger than ever. Trump supporters will show up to vote in large numbers IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by davsel
Bernie won the NH primary last time too. By a huge margin. I wouldn't take his win there as any proof of anything. The DNC still found a way to steal it from him. It's anyone's guess who's getting the D nomination this time.
Bernie is an "Independent" running as a "Democrat". I can understand the Dems not feeling comfortable with him representing the party.
The regular D's are not comfortable with the bern's ideology. As were the never trumper R's, when trump got the nomination. The status quo doesn't like being upset, ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gman
Last time around it was pretty obvious that people weren't happy with the establishment parties on either side. Hillary just did a better job of rigging the DNC to prevent anyone but her getting the nomination. The Republicans didn't rig things to prevent Trump from getting the nod without their blessing (probably due to the RNC being very ineffective). I think the Dems are comfortable with Bernie's ideology, they're just not comfortable about being honest about it.
Bernie wants the highest marginal income tax rate to be 79%+
E.g. If you're a top income earner, you keep only 21% of your income (from that bracket*), before we even factor state tax. Let's not forget there's a lot of democrats with money too.
Just getting the nomination might throw the economy into a recession from the equity reaction alone... so beware of that ya'll, I did warn you. Be careful with your investments around the "nomination" timeframe.
* Common misconception: You are actually taxed at the rate of all the lower brackets, first, up to their respective income threshold. When you break into a new tax bracket, it is only that income above that bracket line that is taxed at that higher rate.
Surprisingly the young gay millennial is considered more moderate and would have less of an equity effect. Even more surprising he (BootyGig) lacks support in the younger crowd, but makes up for it with the fogeys. What a bizarre election.
Something of note: Remember that in Co, registered independents can participate in either side. I'm not sure what the more effective strategy is though... support Booty, and hope that in worst case, if T didn't get elected we get the lesser of all the evils, or support some close-second that has less of a chance of beating Trump altogether. Who that would be, no clue, and probably no chance of them getting a nom anyway. At any rate, CO independents can have more influence at this stage in the election than we will in November, when we all become irrelevant.
May have been the reason Bloomberg is buying his way in...doesn't want to pay the tax rates the others are proposing. :)
This is why I changed my registration to "unaffiliated" after the last election. Now that the state pays for the parties' candidate selection, and the primaries are 'open', there's no real advantage to being registered with either party.Quote:
Originally Posted by OxArt
Speaking of 79%+ INCOME TAX
Idiot vs reality.
Idiots thinks that billionaires gets multi million dollar salary/pay check to be a billionaire.
Reality is that they take home $1 per year income, and take dividends and exercise stock options and warrants , or dispose position for cap gain taxes.
Let the socialist raise it to 79%. Moderate rich suffers, but super rich will STILL get richer.
I use the same damn playbook from them.
I am planning to ONLY pay myself a ~$12k+ this year. :)
If my right pocket has a bigger hole, I will utilize my left pocket and take coin out of the left pocket.
The top 3% already pay 1/2 the taxes. The stuff Bernie is talking about giving away is our entire budget many times over. He's playing a class warfare game. He went after millionaires until he was one, so now his target is billionaires. He's a hypocrite that takes advantage of the naive, yet protects himself as one of the ruling elite.
Oh jeeeeeeeeez. Did you guys hear Bloomberg has a terminal disease and has only a little over 10 months to live?
https://www.yahoo.com/news/hillary-c...151839865.html
Where's the info on a terminal disease?
I heard he has a case of "Suiciditus" and isn't expected to live much after January 20th. See the link. Total rumor, at this stage, of course.
Yeah, it came to me as I was getting some ribs on the pellet grill. My pain levels are outrageous today and I was slow on the up-take. I was being way too literal.
Sucks to have chronic pain. But at least, ribs. Ran out on my grill last night so had to finish on an electric skillet :/ always makes it suck. I should check before committing to grilling, but never do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gman
Shite. Bloomie is spending serious dough to buy this election. I got no less than 3 texts from usefull idiots paid for by bloomie asking for support. And I just slammed the door in the face of a paid usefull idiot canvasing registered voters. Hand fulls of bloomie flyers.
Dont discout that evil man. Shite will get interesting.
Bloomberg has the personality of a boiled eggplant. He's not nearly as charismatic as his commercials make him out to be. His commercials are also not difficult to tune out. I still think he's more of a threat to his party than the competition.
I wonder what the feel would be if he did cite Hillary as the VP. Hillary is toxic, so it could hurt, but I wonder if it wouldn't somehow unify slight support between people who like the billionaire and may dislike Hillary (not many...), and the other people who still support Hillary, knowing she'd be the "real" president in short order. if they got elected. Hard to predict, it seems. DNC might fully back and even engineer this - they can't justify a Hillary ticket but maybe this way is a cheaty-McCheaterpants trick to do it all over again and run Hillary against Trump.... agaaaain.
All speculation at this point, but it would be an insulting ticket and peak stupid, so I wouldn't put it past the DNC. It also could really boost Bloom in primaries... or not. Wild card, hard to say.
Jeezus. I find his commercials to be anti-charismatic. Mr Burns, but lacking the cartoon comedic evil.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gman
I caught it on the news some where this weekend that Bloomy had spent a whopping $423,000,000 so far and the nearest to him was Sanders at less then 10% of that.
WoW!!!!! He's trying to buy his way in.
I read somewhere (probably Fox but can't find the article) that Bloomberg was prepared to spend 2 billion on advertising alone!Quote:
Originally Posted by TRnCO
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My wife has some Democrat friends and they are absolutely incensed that Bloomberg is trying to buy his way in. They find it antithetical to being a Democrat (they are apparently oblivious to the real world).
Read this a few hours ago;
With so much effort to run interference to Trump and his pro-American policies, I'm amazed that he's accomplished as much as he has. How a billionaire can put agents within the government that are on his payroll and pushing his agenda is extremely dangerous IMO.
Bloomberg’s ‘mercenaries’: Billionaire Dem funding network of climate lawyers inside state AG offices
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A program funded by 2020 presidential candidate Michael Bloomberg is paying the salaries of lawyers who are farmed out to liberal state attorney general offices to pursue climate-based litigation -- a compact critics say amounts to Bloomberg buying state law enforcement employees to advance his preferred political agenda.
The arrangement, which currently pays the salaries of Special Assistant Attorneys General (SAAGs) in 10 Democratic AG offices, is drawing new scrutiny now that Bloomberg is running for president. The New York University School of Law's State Energy & Environmental Impact Center, which was started in 2017 with $5.6 million from Bloomberg's nonprofit, hires mid-career lawyers as "research fellows" before providing them to state AGs where they assist in pursuing "progressive" policy goals through the courts.
"This is a fundamental question of ethics and who's running our government," said West Virginia Attorney General Patrick Morrisey, one of a handful of Republican attorneys general who have raised concerns about the Bloomberg-funded program. "When you actually get to place someone in under a specific agenda and then pay them and they’re within the office, that starts to call into question whether there are multiple masters within an attorney general office and that starts to really stink.”
Republican Indiana Attorney General Curtis Hill also says he is concerned about how Bloomberg Philanthropies, NYU and state AG offices are cooperating.
“What’s problematic is the arrangement through which a private organization or individual can promote an overtly political agenda by paying the salaries of government employees," he said.
According to its website, the NYU State Impact Center currently has attorneys placed in the AG offices for Washington, D.C., Delaware, Connecticut, Illinois, Massachusetts, Maryland, Minnesota, New Mexico, New York and Oregon. The attorney general running each of those offices is a Democrat.
The NYU center was first announced in an August 2017 press release, noting that it was boosted with funding from "Bloomberg Philanthropies," the informal name for Bloomberg Family Foundation Inc. According to the foundation's 2017 IRS 990 form, the $5.6 million came in the form of one $2.8 million payment in 2017 and another to follow in 2018. The Bloomberg Family Foundation's 990 forms are not available for 2018 or 2019, so it is unclear whether Bloomberg continued to fund the State Impact Center last year or if he has yet in 2020.
In an August 2017 email to state attorneys general, State Impact Center Executive Director David Hayes, a former member of the Clinton and Obama administrations, laid out the qualifications for AGs hoping to hire SAAGs from the program.
"The opportunity to potentially hire an NYU Fellow is open to all state attorneys general who demonstrate a need and commitment to defending environmental values and advancing progressive clean energy, climate change, and environmental legal positions," Hayes said.
That email, along with other documents reviewed for this report, was obtained by conservative nonprofit Energy Policy Advocates and shared with Fox News.
It continued: "State attorneys general should describe the particular scope of needs within their offices related to the advancement and defense of progressive clean energy, climate change, and environmental matters."
According to Washington-based attorney Chris Horner, who worked with Energy Policy Advocates on public records requests into the State Impact Center's activities, the group's self-declared "nonpartisan" label is a smokescreen allowing it to pursue ideologically motivated, "progressive" goals with SAAGs he labeled "mercenaries."
"Nonpartisan, in that you need just promise to use the mercenaries to advance 'progressive' climate legal positions," he said. "So, partisan? Perish the thought. It's merely ideological."
Both publicly and in correspondence, the State Impact Center and those who work with it express hostility toward the Trump administration. The State Impact Center's website celebrates the fact state AGs have taken at least 300 legal actions against President Trump's administration since his inauguration.
'It turns out that our first Bloomberg Fellow... was a student of yours at Harvard... Do you know anyone 5-10 years out of school who would be interested in saving the planet from the predations of [Trump EPA Chief] Scott Pruitt and [Trump Interior Secretary] Ryan Zinke?'
— Email from Maryland Attorney General Brian Frosh to Yale law professor Heather Gerken
Additionally, Maryland Attorney General Brian Frosh, who was one of the most involved AGs during the program's early stages and was communicating regularly with State Impact Center officials beginning in July 2017, explicitly said he was using his State Impact Center attorneys -- whom he referred to as "Bloomberg Fellow[s]" -- to battle the Trump administration.
"It turns out that our first Bloomberg Fellow, Josh Segal, was a student of yours at Harvard. He's a big fan," Frosh wrote in a January 2018 email to Heather Gerken, now a Yale Law School professor. "We are looking to fill a second position... Do you know anyone 5-10 years out of school who would be interested in saving the planet from the predations of [Trump EPA Chief] Scott Pruitt and [Trump Interior Secretary] Ryan Zinke?"
Morrisey said that the fact Bloomberg is now running for president makes the program even more suspect.
"It’s also very clear that this is being used to attack the presidency of Donald Trump," he said. "And that raises other questions when the benefactor of this organization is running against the president."
And Bloomberg Philanthropies' involvement with the activities of the State Impact Center's attorneys and their respective AG offices goes beyond just cutting a check.
Although the program attorneys technically report to the attorney general that they work for, they are still employees of NYU for the two-year term they are on loan. In turn, NYU's State Impact Center provided biweekly reports on its activities and the activities of its SAAGs to Bloomberg's foundation through Daniel Firger, who until 2019 was a member of the Environment Program at Bloomberg Philanthropies.
A Dec. 1, 2017, email from Hayes to other members of the State Impact Center advisory council noted that they should "keep these reports on a close hold basis; they are not appropriate for public circulation."
'Imagine if the shoe was on the other foot and if the Republican AGs were saying that ExxonMobil was going to be paying for 25 full-time lawyers to be working out of the office ... Why is that any different? The reality is it’s not.'
— West Virginia Attorney General Patrick Morrisey
Additionally, one of the members of the State Impact Center's advisory council is Jeremiah Bauman, a program officer for the environment team at Bloomberg Philanthropies.
As an example of the cases these SAAGs are working on, Frosh filed a brief in federal court supporting a suit brought by the city of Baltimore against B.P. and a gaggle of other fossil fuel companies. The suit sought monetary damages from those companies for pollution and climate change issues allegedly caused by the companies.
Frosh's brief, which several other states involved in the State Impact Center's program joined, lists as counsel on the brief Frosh's first "Bloomberg Fellow," Segal, and one other SAAG for Maryland.
Segal also appears on a petition by several states filed late last month against a rollback of an EPA Chemical Accident Safety Rule.
"Imagine if the shoe was on the other foot and if the Republican AGs were saying that ExxonMobil was going to be paying for 25 full-time lawyers to be working out of the office?" Morrisey asked "They’d be paying for them, they’d have to report back to them and talk about what their agenda is. I mean people would go crazy over that concept. Why is that any different? The reality is it’s not."
In a statement for this report, the State Impact Center did not address questions about its relationship with Bloomberg or its funding but emphasized its position that it is nonpartisan.
"The nonpartisan State Energy & Environmental Impact Center at the NYU School of Law brings academic rigor and independence to its mission of supporting state attorneys general who are protecting existing environmental regulations, addressing climate change and respecting the law," it said. "The Center also provides legal assistance to interested AGs and serves as a centralized public source of information for ongoing AG initiatives to enhance the public’s understanding of the importance of the clean energy, climate change and environmental matters that attorneys general are pursuing."
A request for comment to the Bloomberg campaign was forwarded to Bloomberg Philanthropies, whose spokesperson stood by their support of the State Impact Center -- saying that attorneys general are benefitting from NYU's help fighting "unprecedented rollbacks of fundamental health and environmental protections."
Their statement said: "Bloomberg Philanthropies is proud to support the NYU School of Law, which provides legal, analytical and communications support to state attorneys generals' offices across the country through its NYU Law Fellow program. Funding from Bloomberg Philanthropies helped launch the NYU School of Law - State Energy & Environmental Impact Center, which is dedicated to helping state attorneys general fight regulatory rollbacks and other actions that undermine clean energy initiatives, efforts to combat climate change, and environmental protections. Attorneys general across the country have benefited enormously from this support as they have faced unprecedented rollbacks of fundamental health and environmental protections."
Frosh's office did not respond to requests for comment.
Critics like Horner and Morrisey maintain that such private influence at the top of state law enforcement is something Americans should be very concerned about.
"This is absolute outsourcing of law enforcement," Horner said. "Amid all the handwringing over Bill Barr, if you want to talk about weaponizing law enforcement, consider what Bloomberg would do, with the roadmap of what he's already done."
Apparently the debate tonight was a reenactment of the Donner Party.
Bloomberg under siege at chaotic debate debut, as Warren attacks field in bid to revive campaign
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Sanders, meanwhile, warned that Bloomberg couldn't be elected because he wouldn't be able to assemble a diverse coalition of voters.
He also called it "immoral" that Bloomberg had vast wealth while homelessness remained a problem. (A debate moderator then asked a pointed question: "Mayor Bloomberg, should you exist?")
Hypothetical question.
IF Sanders, Buttigieg, or Warren becomes a nominee:
If one of those 3 candidate askes Joe Biden to be their runningmate, do you think he will do it?
They'd have to be nuts to do that. Why attach yourselves to Biden and his baggage, including Hunter, if you don't have to?
Name recognition, he has the most recognized name in the bunch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gman
Not for the right reasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grime
How come the other candidates have commercials with Obama voice-overs and he doesn't? [Coffee]
I don't see Biden being chosen as a VP running mate either, for starters I don't think he'd be interested in the job, and second, he's just not that popular really. Instead, I figure someone outside of the current bunch that are still running will be called up for VP. May even be someone that very few of us know much about.
I watched quite a bit of the debacle, I mean debate, last night. Was actually quite entertaining. I don't know who came out on top but I do believe Bloomberg came out on the bottom.
I don't think any of the dems has a chance... If they pick bernie, they lose because too much of the country won't vote for his communist ideas. If they don't pick bernie, all the bernie bros will stay home, or vote third party, or even vote for trump just to screw the DNC.
And when trump wins again, if bernie wasn't the candidate, the dem party will get pushed even further left for the next election. So dems best hope is to give the nomination to bernie, let him crash and burn, and then move back toward the center.
I'm not sure the Dems could find 'center'. They wandered off, and ran off, 'the center' decades ago. It's really not possible to be a conservative, pro-life, pro-gun Democrat anymore.
I still remember Democrat Zell Miller's speech at the RNC back in 2004.
That is what I am thinking. He will continue to link his name to the president(chairman) MaObama.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grime
Tenure at Senate might be great experience for some demo to think he can go against majority leader.
Former Chairman is still popular with democrats, and BinBiden might be able to take some moderates democrats and independents.