Combat rifles? I don't think it apply's to the question unless that is your SHTF scenarioQuote:
Originally Posted by Nobama2012
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Combat rifles? I don't think it apply's to the question unless that is your SHTF scenarioQuote:
Originally Posted by Nobama2012
That's what I told that pussy Bob Dole.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nobama2012
AK is all around, hunting, homeland defense, open beer cans, turn the tv on/off, you name itQuote:
Originally Posted by ronaldrwl
AK FTW!Quote:
Originally Posted by Nobama2012
One that I own now?
Mossberg 590a1
One that I really want?
Krink in 7.62
Rules #1 - Survive
Surviving doesn't mean hunt, or fight - it means survive. In a shtf scenario I am not looking to contact ANYONE that I don't already know, so I'm going to avoid movement unless necessary, I'm not going to hunt unless I'm starving and I'm going to run from a fight until I'm cornered.
Katrina confiscations? First they gotta find me, then since they always announce, they've gotta find where I stashed it. Since I am not roving about, I have a good hiding spot for my weapon. I am not worried about walking about with my AK, because I am not walking about. In situations that might require me to do so, I need to have a very compelling reason to do so because movement means vulnerability to snipers and roadblocks.
My weapon keeps me safe primarily. Any engagement beyond 25 yards and a pistol is not the best choice, any situation where I have to bury it in the muck or goo and an AK has a good chance of still working, if I dont have gun lube the AK works, and many other types do not. AK ammo is laquered and sealed and takes a lot of punishment and STILL fires. It wins any confrontation with a pistol and a rifle round STOPS a fight much quicker than a pistol round. Shotgun pellets of any type stop in many barriers, a rifle bullet penetrates moderate cover.
So considering my priorities and potential needs, an AK fits the bill.
My vote, HK 91, won't break, will function without constant cleaning, completely reliable, accurate, non "poodle shooter" caliber. .223 is an "urban" battle rifle, if you want to "reach out and touch someone" and they won't be getting back up, use a .308. HK just works no matter what.
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Originally Posted by milwaukeeshaker
I really like the non "poodle shooter" If you don't mind I am going to start using that
I did not vote. I could not JUST choose one. I will always have a sidearm incase of rifle failure for starters unless i am trekking in the woods long distance. The gun i choose will vary from situation to situation. If i am forced to go in the city the firearm i choose will vary greatly from the firearm I choose to go out in the woods. So asking what one gun is best is not a very good question unless you go into more specifics about the SHTF situation you are in. I love the short barrel 12 gauge in close quarters but its pretty much useless out in the open. But in a gunfight the best gun you can choose is one you are trained on and is very reliable with decent ammo.
Yeah I voted for a rifle but your absolutely right. In a SHTF I'll have two pistols and two rifles. I'll have my carry pistol and my AR, the wife will have her carry piece and a .308 bolt gun. Quite honestly, I foresee no situation where I don't have all of that in a SHTF.Quote:
Originally Posted by denvernative321
here I am posting to a thread thats a year and a half old again.
I'd think it best to stick with a NATO round. I'm no fan of 5.56 X 45, and 9mm, though plentiful, won't knock down a deer, so that leaves 7.62 x 51. Of course, I could kick myself thouroughly, in the behind, for not buying the Remington 7600 pump action .25-06 that was for sale on here a while back. If there was ever a versital round it is 25-06. Go look at the terminal ballistics at http://www.handgunsmag.com/ballistic...remington.html ; it has good reach and acceptable stopping power. I say, It will take anything down from hare to bear; though I probabbly would not charge a bear with it on purpose. Plus, you could buy a pistol grip set up for the 7600 remingtons, and the parent case is 30-06. If you had the right reloading tools, that 25-06 pump would be my choice.
The Forum is only 6 mo old. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by GETTYLEIGH
No button for G3/HK clones.
Too bad.
Cheap mags, unbreakable and powerful battle rifle. NATO ammo.
I'd grab the PTR in a second with an AR for short range work.
But I voted for the AK as a one gun run.
If it was down to a handgun-HK
It was sarcasm. I assure you I can count.Quote:
Originally Posted by jerrymrc
I chose the M14/M1A rifle. Very reliable, .308 caliber, not really all that heavy, and just plain works.
I'd have to go with a Drilling, 12ga / 9.3x72R...
I recently had to do this with some earnest
I sold off most my collection due to being in nursing school, had to drop down to one gun!
I kept the AR, 20inch irons, 22lr kit.
I went for the AR for a number of reasons, the 22 kit is a big part of it, I can shoot for cheap, and carry a ton of ammo in either caliber. 20" as I don't plan to clear any houses with it as I am a civilian and that is just asking for it. End of the world a splinter could kill me, right now, well, I'm a civilian, I get to clear one house, and I don't need a 10 barrel to do that well. the other reason for the 20" is it avoids the whole middy/carbine/piston debate, it works, well and its fairly clean and easy on its guts. And I like keeping that little bit of juice. Irons, well, I like irons more, I shoot better with them and they don't break or run out of batteries.
As to reliability, It is a BCM upper on a billet lower with fine internals to match, I have no reliability issues, at all, rain, snow, sand and neglect. I didn't clean this gun for a long time, just to be sure. It works, well and I fully trust it. I've own short AR's, AK's, M1's, SKS's and plenty of others, this gun works better than the rest.
Only had 10 to pick. And while I do like some of the G3/Cetme features I still prefer a Fal. Also looked at what might be the most popular choices around here. Now if I posted this on the Militaryfirearm.com board then the choices would be different. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by BPTactical
I voted AK 47 in 7.62x39,mainly because of the rounds ability to destroy concrete cinder block;far better than the 223.Some of the poachers in Africa use ak-47's to take on elephant;try that with your 223 AR, and you'll probably wind up as pulverised mincemeat,on the jungle floor.As previously noted by other's,the ak-47 is far more dependable than the ar-15; especially because of their anvil like hammers,as compared to the dinky looking ones on the ar-15.You won't be getting soft primer hits with your AK,thats for sure!Compare the steel magazine lips on the ak and you'll know that that the will never be bent,unless a bullet hits them.I have a KREBS CUSTOM AK-47 Saiga,with a Viltor collapsible stock,A-2 rear sight on the picatinny rail mounted on the dust cover,with a Burris AR-332 3X mounted on top.A rail forend,A-2 front sight and a standard A-2 flashhider.I believe I won't have to much of a problem finding 7.62x39 ammo around when the SHTF,because I'll be carrying a whole slew of 30 or 40 rd.AK mags on my chest.Second choice,or as a partner to my beloved AK;My 870 Law Enforcement 12 gauge 7 rd. capacity Surefire lighted forend;which is one of my bedside gun's.The only thing that that I don't like about the forend,is that their is no master off switch;for the pressure switch.
based on the guns that I have. I really like my m1 carbine.
but if it were to be a Zombie SHTF scenario then prob my SPR 5.56 with green tip rds. just because im proficient with it and ammo should be fairly common if one has to rummage thru a decayed society.
otherwise, Katrina or other natural disaster a pistol would be best.
you dont need much if you are a master with what you have. [Luck]
I believe that in a survival situation,7.62x39 would be more readly avallable than 5.56x45 when the shtf,worldwide.WOLF sells 7.62x39 in sealed tins that last a long time.You can bury them in your back yard or anywhere else, to be prepared for Armageddon.Thanks to the" Obama stimulus plan",there has been a great surge in people buying AR-15's,AK's,and what have you.But when I go to AGC gun range here in Marriotsville,Maryland, there are quite a number of members who own AK'S.If the Federal government banned all ammo sales,7.62x39, or even 5.45x39, would still might be readly avallable on the black market; smuggled in from Mexico. [Beer]Quote:
Originally Posted by theGinsue
There are so many ways this could all go down, many scenarios. But, if I didn't know exactly what the situation was going to be and I could carry only 1 gun, I'd choose my shotgun. It's versatile enough to cover many problems, from hunting to self defense. No, it will not cover every situation better than guns made to handle specific tasks, but it can serve in a pinch for just about any function except long distance shooting.
The shotgun is the Saiga-12, which is an AK-47 chambered for 12 gauge, with 5 and 12 round magazines. I can shoot slugs, buck, or bird shot. So, it would serve for self defense with the slugs and buck, small game with the bird shot, or larger game with the slugs and buck. Pretty darn good for just one gun.
My second choice would be the AK-47 or SKS, either way.
Wow!! I can't choose. (yet) .. I thought I could. But so many valid points, I'm going back to the drawing board.[Coffee]
I'm staying home with my shit.
The rest of you can run around with limited stuff.
I would try my hardest to stay in my house. If I had to leave no question I would take one of my ar's in 556mm.
This really depends on what your expecting to be in a SHTF situation. A soldier or a survivor? If your looking to be a soldier i'd be looking at the 5.56 AR, FAL, Garand, AK, or M14. I couldn't go with an 7.62 AR, I'm sorry and someone might have a problem with this but they aren't as reliable as the rest. Sure great range guns but if your pouring down heavy metal that guy is gonna jam up fast. With pure reliability in mind you'd have to go with an AK. I choose the M-14 it's the best of both worlds. It is a great combat weapon, very reliable, and fairly simple in design. It also would be a decent survival weapon as the 7.62x51 can bring down nearly anything in north america, four or two legged.
AK in 7.62 hands down. Or SKS if thats what you had instead of an AK. Or if you had to conceal your firearm due to confiscation I would go Glock 19. I have a AR and I can't get into that platform that much. Don't have that much faith in it as a self supply, down and dirty insurgent weapon. Great as a supply line weapon. I always find myself looking for any good AK's to pop up for trade.
12g pump gun. Slugs, buckshot, birdshot, nails, rocks, etc.etc.
If I am staying in one place (home) i would say my M1A Socom 16. Super accurate and can handle just about any situation with different loads. put the scope on and snipe or hunt. Leave it off and repel borders. Keep a few mags loaded and ready to go.
If I am mobile and going place to place I would say my S&W 686. Concealable,ultra reliable,can shoot anything from a weak .38 cowboy load up to 180 grain solids. Finding ammo for it would be a lot easier I think than some other options. I would carry 100 rds of 125grn Sabers,50 rds of 180 Black Talon and some shot shells in my pack if its time to go.
Oh thank you my M1A SOCOM 16 has been refitted with some USGI parts and I think it is the most reliable gun I've ever shot. I can easily touch somebody at 450 m with a scope and CQB if need be. Great choice for the best single SHTF gun.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2008f450
Bump it up!
Not bad timing since we have many new members since I started this. Always good for a http://excoboard.com/forums/26584/us...465/303440.gif topic. http://excoboard.com/forums/26584/us...465/303442.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by ChunkyMonkey
I compleatly forgot about this poll.
I chose the AK.
Its reliable,cheap and user freindly.
If one of mine craps outy(unlikely) or damaged I can easily repair or just build another one.
Ammo is readily available as well as parts,so no worries there.
AK for me as well, had I known or shot one before I got a AR I would have stuck with this platform.
AHHHHH LOOK OUT!!! THIS THREAD CAME BACK FROM THE DEAD! [LOL]
There are obviously a lot of factors and different scenarios, but I would go with a Ruger 10/22. You can easily carry hundreds, if not thousands, of rounds and a .22 is just as deadly as a .308 in most situations. ...Just try not to get into a firefight with a .308 ;)
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Originally Posted by jerrymrc
I gotta say, I love the SHTF smiley! hahaha
6.5 inch SS single six.
Pros:
.22/.22MAG
.22 is easy to carry
I can hit a 16inch plate supported at 100 yards
.22 is not a joke when you can actually hit vitals
versatility
simple mechanical function
barring ammo quality, if the hammer falls it will go off.
It is stainless steel
It is relatively light
it has adjustable sights.
I can switch to Magnum for a quick 6 mor rounds.
In SHTF I do not plan on getting into a firefight
In SHTF I want to evade
In SHTF if I am not at home I am in big trouble anyway
In SHTF I want the best bang for the pound not neccesarily the biggest.
Wow, if it all unraveled to the point where I could only have one firearm, I think it would be a pistol. I can always hunt with a bow or trap with snares etc. I'd want up close and personal defensive capability with the ability for quick follow-up shots.
Honestly it doesnt matter much what I get caught out with, as long as I have something it will be used to the best of my ability. That said.. I pick an AR in 5.56 because-
Excellent ammo availability
Proven durable and reliable
Lightweight and low recoil, I know I can carry it all day and shoot it as much as is needed
smaller lighter ammo, can carry more
Can reload in the field with a hand press
Breaks down and conceals in a backpack, discreet bag, etc.
.308 is not a bad choice, but the heavier weight and recoil make it a second choice
.22LR/22Magnum is a great choice, but cannot reload either round
Id take a 12 Gauge Tactical Shotgun. Light loads, rabbit, squirrel, small birds. Medium loads ducks, geese, small game. Then get nasty for zombies with 00 - 000 Buck shot. And slugs for big game, deer, elk, etc.
Plus there are specialty loads also. Dragon's breath, Flechette, Piranha, bolo, etc. And for the not so lethal loads rubber buckshot and slugs.
Where can you get dragns breath locally?