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My thoughts exactly. Is it really that big of a deal? The range I worked at didn't allow any loaded guns (or for that matter one with a closed action) in the lobby unless you were a uniformed, on duty police officer. Never heard a single complaint.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irving
I don't like that rule either, and probably wouldn't go there, but I'm not going to go so far as to say that you are surrendering your rights; because you're not.
So Silver Bullet was packed today and there was an hour or more wait. I thought it was a good opportunity to check out Blue Core, so I drove down there. CLOSED! I figured they would be open on Sundays? Doesn't really say anywhere on their doors or windows that I could find.
Thought I give them a chance to show me around the range and ask questions, might have even bought some ammo and shot there, but I guess it wasn't meant to be.
I also have to note, that if I must buy a box of ammo at whatever their retail price is, and 4 shooters on the range if I take the whole family, I'm looking at dropping $150 for a trip to the range. With my own ammo, that price drops significantly.
Hopefully they can get on here and offer up some New Customer discounts or something? (hint hint)
O'well, back to Silver Bullet, which turned out to be a great time.
Brought my wife to Silver Bullet yesterday where she shot for the first time ever (Armscor M1600 .22LR). They had said about an hour and half wait but I don't think we had to wait any more than 20 minutes. We had fun with our own targets and ammo and their ventilation seems better than the last time I was there.
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Originally Posted by gnihcraes
Or we approach them as members of "COLORADO AR-15 SHOOTERS" and see if they can give us a members discount card or something?? [Beer]Quote:
Originally Posted by gnihcraes
What do you think Marlin?? [Tooth]
I'm not trying to run them out of business, just trying to get a reasonable price or perk to try out their range. Grand Opening type of thing?Quote:
Originally Posted by DSB OUTDOORS
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I'm with ya man, but I think a CO AR-15 membership would be cool!! Just log in @ the range to show we are members and get a 3% discount or what ever? Every little bit helps. They would make a hell of a lot of money off of US if they would! Me especially. I can shoot where I live but only to an extent, don't want to piss off neighbors! [Tooth]Quote:
Originally Posted by gnihcraes
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Originally Posted by Irving
When it was Green Mountain they made me give up my concealed carry gun to go into the rifle range. Didn't make any since to me, but it was their property.
Yep I had to leave all pistols and pistol ammo with them up front to enter the rifle range.Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperiorDG
Maybe a month or two ago I went to Firing line and asked what the best way to bring my pistol inside was if I didn't have my case. One of the guys said since I have my CCW I can have it "Locked and loaded as long as it remains concealed until I am on the range."Quote:
Originally Posted by DeusExMachina
Then last week I went in with my 44 in a case, bought a box of range ammo, and had a box of .40 with me for my carry pistol. He never said anything about the .40 ammo or asked any questions.
I would have walked. Dumbest rule I've heard yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperiorDG
Stopped by today to see what the ammo prices were to go shoot on their range (my son's karate dojo is across the street). It appears that they aren't open yet. There is nothing in the display cases and tools and stuff everywhere.
I'll update when I see anything new.
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Originally Posted by SuperiorDG
There's a reason we speak of them in the past tense.Quote:
Originally Posted by opie011
I called yesterday and they said hopefully by the end of the week.Quote:
Originally Posted by Akyla
hmmm...said they'd be open 3/31 and still not open.
I had high hopes, but I see them failing soon.
3/31 was likely just a target date (no pun intended) and delays can happen. I'm sure they'd rather be fully prepared to make the best first impression than open the doors too soon...Quote:
Originally Posted by lebru
true, but even their websites business model doesn't give me high hopes.Quote:
Originally Posted by mrghost
Looks like the "range rules" page has been updated:
•You are required to purchase our ammo to shoot at our pistol range, in the following calibers: .9mm, 223, .357, .38, .380, .40, .44, .45, and 7.62x39
•You may function test and train with your self supplied, personal defense pistol ammunition, up to 1 box of 50 rounds.
•You may provide and shoot your personal ammunition on our rifle range, to include specific hunting loads and sight-in for AR style rifles.
• **All training and multiple magazine firing of all AR/Tactical style rifles will be conducted on our pistol range, and the shooter will be required to purchase and shoot our ammo.
So, I interpret this quite simply: You have to buy their ammo, even for .223, and apparently AR shooting will take place on the pistol range.
And here is their updated range rules:
•Firearms must be unloaded and cased unless on the firing line.(Exceptions for Law Enforcement)
•The range officer is in charge of the range at all times.
• Ear and eye protection must be worn at all times.
•No one is allowed in front of the firing line.
•Always point firearms downrange.
• Place targets at eye level.
•Do not shoot the floor or ceiling of the range.
•All rounds must impact the bullet trap / backstop.
•No rapid fire. (you must control the firearm)
•Drawing from the holster is prohibited, unless you have prior approval.
•Shooters under 18 must be accompanied by an adult.
•Food and drink are prohibited in the range.
•Smoking/smokeless tobacco is prohibited in the store and the range.
•Shell casings must be swept past the firing line.
•You may pick up your own brass.•No private instruction of any kind is allowed on the premises.
I bolded the last two rules, as everything else is standard. This shows that you CAN collect your own brass. However, the "no private instruction" thing is somewhat disconcerting. So, if I bring a date to the range, am I not allowed to show her how to shoot? Am I going to have to pay some tactical ninja to give my girlfriend lessons? (This is rhetorical of course, because I wouldn't put up with that BS for a second).
Also, here is a gem of a quote I found on the main page:
"No other range in Denver brings this much real world and combat experience together in one facility. BluCore personnel have deployed to combat zones all over the world conducting operations against the most dangerous terrorists in the most extreme conditions."
That right there, coupled with the absurd ammo policy, tells me everything I need to know about this place. It sounds like a bunch of holier-than-thou Tactical Teds who have way too much ego to run an effective business. I'm sure they will sell plenty of Extreme Shock ammo there.
If I remember correctly, Green Mountain didn't allow rifles on the pistol lanes, so that would be a plus for the new crew.
As far as the no private training rule, I would guess that it's a similar rule that most gyms have and aimed at any kind of formal, "professional" instruction and not so much the "here baby keep your finger off the trigger and eye focused on the front post" informal date training and they probably worded the way they did to give themselves some flexibility with enforcing it.
I'm going to have a couple of rifles to sight-in soon and will most likely do it at BlueCore, so I'll reserve further judgment till I've checked it out in person.
Totally agree with you here. Most likely, actually I won't use their range. Just stupid to have to buy their ammo...might as well have to buy their guns to shoot at their range!Quote:
Originally Posted by sic_semper_tyrannis
any word on cost of ammo? i am buying all my own stuff still, and if they can beat walmart prices (9 a box of 9mm) then it might be worth it.
No way in hell they can beat WalMart prices and make any money at all on any kind of ammo. WalMart buys literally TONS of ammo for all their stores and can get huge discounts. NFW one little gun range could come close to their price, IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by lebru
unless they reload their own and sell it?Quote:
Originally Posted by rondog
I only see their current business plan surviving for six months. Either they will shut down or they will adapt to more reasonable rules. There is no reason to have to buy their ammo (especially for $12/24 an hour) or to have to pay $12/24 per hour. The only benefit they have over other ranges is the rifle range, but that won't justify their pricing model.
I'll wait it out. I could justify 24 bucks for the day if I can bring my own ammo.
Guess I will jsut continue to go to the south site for $20 in gas. When I'm shooting rifle it is typically for hunting or sighting in, for that I load my own for what works best for MY gun. It does me no good whatsoever to go to a range where I can shoot rifle, yet not work up my own reloads.
As far as pistol, I am quite positive they can't beat my per round cost of my own, and I'm sure as hell not buying someone elses reloads (if they sold them).
I was excited to try them out since I move to the west side of town, nowI think I will just have to pass.
What kind of nonsense is that? I shoot to exercise my flexion. [Tooth]Quote:
Originally Posted by jscwerve
So I'm loving the idea of this range being handled by some shooter friendly people. I have gone elsewhere even though it is just blocks from my home because of the pricing and previous customer service. After reading the entries here, I stopped by to see what the ammo prices were before spouting off about "I'll never shoot there because I reload" and such.
Seems quite reasonable... a box of 9mm, for example was $13.99. They buy it for $12.99 (HSM) so they aren't looking to make a fortune by gouging you on ammo pricing. .40 caliber was a buck more I think. So, factor in the 5% discount for members buying ammo and they are going to make a whopping quarter on each and every box of 50 rounds.
For me, I'm sold. Great location, excellent facility, and my conversation with Eric - one of the primaries - tells me that they are definitely trying to do this right. He even mentioned that they may modify their policy in the future depending on how it goes for people but clearly, at this point, it is more of a safety issue since YOU (whomever you may be reading this) might be an excellent reloader but some people just aren't.
I for one highly recommend the local shooting community give these guys a try - they could become one of our best options to shoot around here if we treat them well and they seem both friendly and quite sharp to me. I will do what I can to help them succeed because they seem to be getting it right as far as I can tell.
No offense, but I'm sure it's great for shooters that don't know or don't care. I'm not going to pay $14 for a box of ammo I have stockpiles of for $9-10 a box.
Also, I want to shoot 147gr 9mm. Am I just SOL?
Nothing anyone can say can change how stupid this policy is.
I agree with Deus. The only reason I am able to put as many rounds downrange a month as I do (about 1,000) is because I buy it in bulk and me and my buds watch for deals. Paying high retail at the range for ammo I have in my garage that I paid wholesale for will only decrease my range time and irritate me and cause me to shoot like shit and grumble about it. [BooHoo]
Isn't HSM reloaded ammo?
Silver bullet sells their reloads... suspect to meQuote:
Originally Posted by jscwerve
first post- also suspect to me, didn't think this place was open yet so you must have the inside scoop?Quote:
Originally Posted by scottyd223
how do you factor is that if I Give you a large lump of cash for a membership, that the 5% somehow becomes solvent?Quote:
Originally Posted by scottyd223
pay me here or pay me there.
I understand each and every range has the right to make their rules as they wish them.
Just as it is my right to go tell those ranges to piss up a rope and not visit them.
I won't be forced to be retail range ammo simply to shoot your range.
you want to drip a magnet on it, I understand that.
But squeezing me to practice with crap ammo to make you money is not going to work.
[quote=rammit;335517]Silver bullet sells their reloads... suspect to me
True, but we do not force you to buy them.
As long as your ammo meets the specs (no steel or alluminum case, no steel core in the bullet), you are more than welcome to bring your own, reload of factory.
And the ammo for sale is not our reloads, it is Ten X.
Stopped by Blu Core yesterday to shoot my new M&P 9mm Compact and my new Springfield XD.45 ACP. The 9mm ammo was comparable to every where you can purchase ammo. The .45 ACP was high, I bought it 7 dollars per hundred cheaper Saturday. Both guns shot the ammo without one issue.
To me, its a better option than spending $9 bucks to get in a State Park, then $25 to stand in line to shoot and have some jack ass in your face yelling at everyone all day. No to mention if your not standing in front of the man making the reservations, you will get passed up.
Cherry Creek - $34 just to shoot + $34 for 2 boxes of ammo, wait an hour to shoot to spend an hour shooting plus an hour and a half of drive time, jack ass yelling, stop to change targets and then listen to the jack ass give the shooting instructions all over again! = SUCKS
Blu Core - $12 to shoot + $36 for 2 boxes of ammo, get right on the range, powered targets, clean, friendly and fast, 40 minutes of drive time = Much better option
I would still rather join a club that has all ranges as an option, pistol, rifle, skeet and archery, but there is a 2 year waiting list for any of them within 25 miles of Denver.
My two cents.
No waiting at BLGC, but it's a drive for ya, that's for sure. Great place, but you'd need to plan a full day of shooting fun. You can camp there too. Membership is well worth it if you can make the time to go there and use it.Quote:
I would still rather join a club that has all ranges as an option, pistol, rifle, skeet and archery, but there is a 2 year waiting list for any of them within 25 miles of Denver.
You don't know where to buy 9mm, then. Factory (non reload) 9mm is $9-10.50 per 50.
There are at least 3 better indoor pistol ranges in the area over Cherry Creek. One of which is maybe 10 minutes from there. $15 to shoot + your own ammo.
Cherry Creek only makes sense if you're entering with a group, get in the park free or really want to shoot rifle and shotgun without driving an hour.
[quote=DeusExMachina;335578]You don't know where to buy 9mm, then. Factory (non reload) 9mm is $9-10.50 per 50.
Where? Help a member out!
There are at least 3 better indoor pistol ranges in the area over Cherry Creek. One of which is maybe 10 minutes from there. $15 to shoot + your own ammo.
Where at?
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I shoot 9mm subguns (which they probably won't allow anyhow). I can load 50 rounds for around half that price. It wouldn't be unusual at all for me to go through 300 rounds in an hour on the range. So that's an extra $42 and I don't get to keep the brass. No way, José.Quote:
Originally Posted by scottyd223
If they're not making good coin on the ammo, then why require it? If they're worried about the backstop, maybe they should implement a Silver Bullet type policy and prohibit steel core. If they don't want to sort brass, then prohibit aluminum and steel cases.
+1. I have a few boxes at home that I picked up at the fun show for cheap and it was all mixed brass.
You should post your collection. [Tooth]Quote:
Originally Posted by MuzzleFlash