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:roll: I am at a loss for words :roll:
I agree with Greg as far as the keeping a good image thing goes. Like it or not, people make snap judgments based on sometimes silly things, and those judgments affect their entire outlook on a certain group of people, in this case us and shooters in general. If they see a bunch of guys in tacticool black t-shirts tucked into camo BDU pants bloused over combat boots, the thought that immediately comes to mind is "Great, a bunch of Rambo wannabees - can you believe they let these people have guns? We oughta ban them all."
I have to say that I myself kinda laugh when I see camo at our shoots. It may be cheap, tough, and practical, but it projects that "wannabe" air too much for most people to take us seriously. Me, I look like any average college student you might see out and about - if I happen to be carrying a gun case in the McDonald's parking lot or wherever, people are more likely to think, "Hey, there's a regular dude like me who clearly happens to like guns. Maybe, just maybe, he's not the next Rambo mass-murderer wannabe SEAL" than if they see me in black/BDU's/combat boots carrying the same gun case.
I'm not holding myself up on a pedestal there, just saying that the air of normality that my mode of dress projects has a better influence on "most people" than black and camo. Like it or not, the people who are the most suggestible and least set in their ways are who we need to make a good impression on. They are the "swing voters", the policy makers - the ones that matter. If we alienate them, we can slowly say goodbye to our gun rights.
Brian
BTW I liked this design a lot. I would prefer a 16" carbine, and the background behind the rifle has got to go, but otherwise I think this one is pretty solid.Quote:
Originally Posted by HunterCO
Brian
I like both designs. Need to lose the background on Greg's but otherwise I lean towards his design. I would be proud to wear either one.
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I like both too.
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Originally Posted by RYAN50BMG
Yep. :roll:
Oops, I forgot to mention, I would like the shirts in a light color. I always like gray. :oops:
Hey Hey hey now hold the F$$$$ on just one Damn minute here.
At the way this thread has taken a twist let me be the first to say and it might actually be the first post ever on this board that I can think of.
IBTL
I'm at a loss too..
keep it civil and on track.
Here you go, the non-background AR15 T-shirt
Front
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g2...shirtFront.jpg
Back
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g2...TshirtBack.jpg
11.18 each | $268.32 total for an order of 24 ( it appears that L and XL are going to run the same price ).
[usa]
that one ok...how about a full color one?
our logo
CMP logo
NRA logo
and..
how about if we sell space to our vendors for their logos?
I like it. But I also like the black one too.
But I havent had time to go back and read all the posts yet.
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Originally Posted by 7idl
Where do you want all the logos?
BTW, I'm not sure we can legally use the NRA or CMP logos on our shirts without their prmission.
our logo in color on the front and back.
'sponsors' on the rear.
well, maybe not the NRA at this moment, but are we not affiliated with the CMP? isn't that enough? not like we're doing it for profit.
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Originally Posted by 7idl
Just because we are affiliated, does not nessasarly give us the right to use the logo without permission.
IIRC, just because a NRA certified instructor is certified by the NRA, it doesn't give him or her the legal right to display the logo in assosiation with his name, as he doesn't represent the NRA in any offical capacity.
I'm not saying this is the case with CMP, but, there are parallels.
Keep in mind, that the more colors that we use on the shirts, the more expensive the cost will be.
Just having our color logo ( 4 inch ) on the front left pocket area jumps the cost by almost $5.00 per shirt [ohno] and that is at the rate for 24 shirts, and no other design.
At that cost we may as well get patches made.
[usa]
well.. lets keep things going.. I'm just forward thinking a bit.
it's not like we have to do 10 differnt kinds of shirts, shoes, jackets, socks and the like right now.
I think this is the closest we've gotten to having shirts made up (other talks didn't make it too far, IIRC)
so, we start out with a few (maybe sandbag a few for late comers) I'm willing to front some money to make a larger order to help pull costs down.
we can look at Color and supporters as time goes on.
I agree 7. We've got a decent design, lets get some shirts made and after this go-round if people want to fancy them up we can see how that goes.
2C
I,m in for two in XL. RyanQuote:
Originally Posted by Greg H.
I am in for at least 1 at this point.
for some reason I'm against putting "CPM affiliated" on them. Very against putting other logos or advertising on them
I just heard from the company, they will do the same design ( and color of the design ) on different color shirts at no extra cost if some of the people want a different color shirt.
Personaly I like the grey or the Lt steel ( which is a slightly darker grey ).
I'm thinking about getting 2 or 3 shirts ( as I'm running a little short on T-shirts ).
As a side note, something we might keep in mind, is the possability that we have something like a light weight shooting vest, that we can put all the stuff like full color CO-AR-15 patches and add NRA and CMP patches to show the club is affiliated to those groups.
[usa]
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Originally Posted by Merl
Could you explaine why you are against "CPM affiliated"?
I can understand not wanting to put advertising on them, OTOH, we are not advertising CMP it's self, only letting people know that our club is registerd with a respectable organization.
[usa]
Done.Quote:
Originally Posted by 7idl
T-SHIRT BUY
http://coloradoshooting.org/v-web/bu...?p=35499#35499
[usa]
OK great! I've noted my request for t-shirts.
But....has the flag idea gotten lost in the excitement over t-shirts?
2C
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Originally Posted by 2ndChildhood
Nope, Flag is all but a done deal. :mrgreen:
I dont know if there is anyone that is not into firearms that is even going to know what CMP stands for.
I know people that want to get a CMP rifle and dont even know what CMP means or is all about....
So if you are trying to use the CMP affiliation as a way to not make us look not so "Rambo'ish" or whatever then I dont think its really going to make a difference.
Besides I know at one of our shooting sposts we are well known and respected by the LE up there. I havent been down south in a while so I cant say that for down there.
Just My .02
Suppose the CMP Affiliated is kind of an ad in my eyes (minor). Is it on there to say "we're official?. I really cannot give a single good reason other than it looks wrong.