Some good stuff From Rick Perry

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Originally Posted by Ronin13

Most will tell you how evil the patriot act is and how un-American it is... but the original intent (the first through third draft) was actually pretty good. So Bachmann voted for it? Okay... There was a lot Bush did in his first term I didn't exactly agree with (like the final draft of the patriot act as we know it today), but that sure as hell didn't sway me to vote for the r-tard Kerry. One black mark doesn't make me want to jump into someone else's boat. I never thought I'd see a day we had a female president, but then again I never thought I'd see a black one either... who better to be the first than Michelle Bachmann?

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we could all vote for my wife and then I will run the show behind the scenes[Coffee]

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Originally Posted by bryjcom

Do you live on your computer!!

We will never agree on this subject. Doesn't mean I hate you though. [Beer]

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Lately I do live on the computer. I've been on restricted duty for 2 weeks which means I can't work. Two weeks to go. I've done what I need to do at home. I'm cranky.

Cheers.

You wouldn't happen to be a member at Buffalo Creek Gun Club up their in Bailey?

Went there last fall for a combat shoot and by far is my favorite place to shoot!!!

No...not a member there. I've thought about joining for years now but never got around to it.

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Originally Posted by Zundfolge

No, actually we would LIKE someone who stands up for their principals every time but we NEED to get rid of Obama and put someone in the whitehouse that will not veto every good thing that Republicans in the house and senate pass in the 2013 session (like the repeal of Obamacare among other things).

The real power is in the legislature, again I'll say this until I'm blue in the face, Ron Paul needs to stay in the legislature where he can actually have an impact on policy ... not become president where he can beat his head against a brick wall for 4 years, get nothing done and make sure no future libertarian leaning president can be elected in our lifetimes. Same goes for Bachman, Rubio, West, McCotter and a litany of other decent GOP congressmen and senators with pres or vp buzz.

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I've seen you say this 5 or 6 times now, and just wanted to let you know that I am convinced, and agree with your idea. At least one person heard you.

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Originally Posted by Zundfolge

No, actually we would LIKE someone who stands up for their principals every time but we NEED to get rid of Obama and put someone in the whitehouse that will not veto every good thing that Republicans in the house and senate pass in the 2013 session (like the repeal of Obamacare among other things).

The real power is in the legislature, again I'll say this until I'm blue in the face, Ron Paul needs to stay in the legislature where he can actually have an impact on policy ... not become president where he can beat his head against a brick wall for 4 years, get nothing done and make sure no future libertarian leaning president can be elected in our lifetimes. Same goes for Bachman, Rubio, West, McCotter and a litany of other decent GOP congressmen and senators with pres or vp buzz.

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While I know where you're going with this, I respectfully disagree. The real power is in the individual. The federal government was never meant to weild the power it currently has. If we want to change things, we need to start with ourselves, our neighborhoods, our counties, our states. We need our states to tell the federal government to pound sand. Until that happens, we'll keep having more of the same. I think I said this already earlier in this thread, but don't hold your breath waiting for top-down change (unless it's hope and change). We need to change things from the bottom up.

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

Until we start electing state officials that will force the federal government to abide by this, nothing will change.

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Originally Posted by Sharpienads

While I know where you're going with this, I respectfully disagree. The real power is in the individual. The federal government was never meant to weild the power it currently has. If we want to change things, we need to start with ourselves, our neighborhoods, our counties, our states. We need our states to tell the federal government to pound sand. Until that happens, we'll keep having more of the same. I think I said this already earlier in this thread, but don't hold your breath waiting for top-down change (unless it's hope and change). We need to change things from the bottom up.

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

Until we start electing state officials that will force the federal government to abide by this, nothing will change.

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This!!! Nuff said!