wouldn't an entire IP or user ban (not just the members name) solve most of the multi-account offenders?Quote:
Originally Posted by Drilldov2.0
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wouldn't an entire IP or user ban (not just the members name) solve most of the multi-account offenders?Quote:
Originally Posted by Drilldov2.0
i would think a time based thing rather then a post count would be more beneficial.....like no posting in fs for a month or two after joining so new members can become acclimated to the site and kinda learn how things work here
Hey Marlin,
I haven't bought or sold anything on the trading post, but 100 posts is not an unreasonable number to do this. It would keep the bad guys out and would keep the good newbies in. also it would give the new folks an idea what this forum is all about. Plus I'm sure it would help the mods.
I don't want to piss off the buyers and sellers ,but I think it would weed out the assholes. Just my .02.[Beer]
Yep,
50 sounds good or 1 year as a member. Voted.
My thoughts: just make sure the selling guidelines/rules are a sticky (as they are), then just erase first posts that do not meet requirements with a PM explaining. After that, ban em. It's your website, simply don't put up with it. Shouldn't need a specific post count. After a few bans and some public comments, people should get the drift.
I voted 50.. but we should surely restrict the 'post whore' and 'bypc' threads as well..
Sorry but watching people count down to their '15' is dumb.
Post whoring in any other thread should be banned
You may have something there.[Coffee]Quote:
Originally Posted by cofi
I have been here since the beginning. If it was set at 100 today I would not be able to ost.
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Originally Posted by Drilldov2.0
i voted 50 for firearms (it should go for places to shoot ,imho) . but i dont think post count should matter for the other stuff . buying or trading other stuff (mags parts ect .) is a great way us to get to know someone new . also if its a firearm they really want then they can send a pm and if they low ball or try to get over on anyone they should (and would if its me ) have negative feedback before they can even post in the firearms section . but thats just my 2 cents [Tooth]
Well, this is the situations I'm trying to avoid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sparky
lets examine the flip side of the coin.
here is a link to my ad. Poster # 2 inquires if available. post a reply AND have sent 2 pm's to #2 poster. figure some response forth coming. NADA, ZIP not a fu$%^&*in thing reply wise from the "Interested" party. However he has been here more than 1 year and more than 100 post.
Seriously??
This is the kind of shit that has us debating (sorry mods) YOU debating what to do, to rein in the BS we have been experiencing the past month or so.
http://www.co-ar15.com/forums/showthread.php?t=47258
I've been here just over seven years and I've barely got over 100 posts. Maybe there is a way to factor in time on the board as well as number of "legitimate" posts?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sparky
Just my $.02 worth...
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Originally Posted by sniper7
Nope, I for one share PC's with other users, my wife, brother, co-worker etc. I share work PC, laptop, and phone on occasion. So banning 1 IP could ban multiple legit members.
And we are looking very hard at this. Your words are not in vain. [Coffee]Quote:
Originally Posted by TennVol
I agree. All the complaining over the new members posting stuff for sale is just a bunch of girls crying a river. The classified are fine if the new over zealous mods would take a chill pill. It is the best classified site for gun owners and buyers in the state of Colorado. However, I am 100% convinced that it is subject to change and could be headed down hill.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zundfolge
I didn't vote because I think it is fine as it is.
Fuck rep power. It'll be back to GT for me if that ever happens.Quote:
Originally Posted by mcantar18c
The feedback forum is all the rep we need. It's frustrating when you get neg rep'd from somebody too chicken shit to leave their name.
My last buys. [Beer]Quote:
Originally Posted by sniper7
Frankly I don't give a flying fuck if you think it's fine or not. YOU aren't the one dealing with the whiny little girls that feel that they got offended by somebody in that place. Now if you feel the need to take a shot at my mods again, Feel free to leave and whine about it over at that other place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Colorado Luckydog
Frankly I'm sick of your crap.
I was originally brought here by a cross post on a for sale item that was posted on another forum. I made a point of learning the "lay of the land" before making any posts.If only there were a way to make all of the n00bs do the same...
I'm pretty sure I never posted in the New Members forum...not much point in that now, eh?
I don't care if this comes off as brown nosing or ass kissing, but I was taught that when you play in someone else' yard, you follow their rules.
Last time I checked, this was a FREE forum, and the fact that Marlin and the other mods are asking our "opinions" is really a considerable act of kindness. Those in charge are allowed to do as they please, just like private business owners can refuse service to anyone for any reason, or anyone here can decide not to do business with a specific forum member or members.
For as much "crying and whining" as all of us are doing for wanting a higher post requirement, it sure sounds like the other side is doing just as much of this "crying and whining" as the rest of us.
Marlin,
I seriously appreciate what you have here, and I'm truly sorry for whatever bullshit it is that you have to put up with on a day to day, hour by hour basis. I apologize if I have ever caused you a headache or any inconvenience. If I ever do something that consistently bothers you, please send me a PM and let me know so I can correct that behavior. Set the bar where you think it is best, and I, as well as all of the other grateful people on here, will get to that point so we can sell in the Trading Post.
okay, didn't know that. that wouldn't definitely stink! I'm not a computer guy, so I don't much this stuff!Quote:
Originally Posted by trlcavscout
That is why the staff are asking for your input. We are trying to take care of the issues that have come about in the last year as we grow.Quote:
Originally Posted by mevshooter
The WTS/WTB has become our headache. A few simple rules that worked for years do not seem to apply now. Everybody wants to skirt the rules and turn this place into Craigslist or Erape.
We almost have zero problems in all the sections until we get to three areas. The WTSF, WTSFA, and WTSNF. These three sections cause 90% of the moderating.
Just a thought.
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Originally Posted by mevshooter
Well, somebody else gets it.
I for one am truly grateful for this site. I know sometimes I am a PITA and come off as less than proffesional at times (working on it) but agree-their house, their rules.
Thanks Mods for all you do for FREE[Beer][Beer][Beer][Beer]
+1Quote:
Originally Posted by BPTactical
If I ever get to meet the mods, a beverage of their choice is on my dime.
I really DO try not to be an ass....[Tooth]
Mods, quick question:
I have seen a few of the posts in question that are breaking the rules. With all that is going on lately, what is the best course of action for the members to take?
report?
rip their ass in a post?
PM them?
post a link to the rules...which they should have read already?
combination of the above?
yep , bp hit it right on the noseQuote:
Originally Posted by BPTactical
I don't really have an issue with low post count sellers either. If you don't want to deal with them, you don't have to. I've been known to hold items for people that I've either a) dealt with personally or b) have plenty of positive feedback from others here, but if someone doesn't fit in those categories, I most likely won't hold something for them more than a day or so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zundfolge
On the other hand, I'm sure that many of the headaches that the mods have stemming from the want ads sections are from new members that are only here for another place to list their items and don't care to take the time to read, or follow, the rules that have been set up for posting there.
I think 50 would be fine. Also, an "under 50$ (or100) " board might be an option. It seems like a lot of low post-count folks are looking to sell low price stuff that may just have lying around, like an extra buttstock or a few boxes of ammo they don't need.
100 and Id say legitimate posts etc.
Im personally am irritated with all the MSRP and Brand fucking new prices for a well used and tons of holster wear and is generally a beat up piece of iron or polymer firearm.
If you have shot 1000 rounds out of your pistol, IT IS NOT LNIB. I dont give a damn how many range trips this took and how many damn times you cleaned it after each range trip. It still has had 1000 rounds through it and all that holster wear and knicks are from extensive use. Also if the night sights are dimming, ITS NOT LNIB.
People need to learn how to price things accordingly to how much the firearm was actually used. [Bang][Bang][Bang][Bang][Rant1][Rant1][Rant1][Rant1][Rant2][Rant2][Rant2][Rant2]
While I am not certain, I don't think so. Unless someone who is an offender has a static IP and no access to another computer an "entire ip ban" would entail banning every user of an isp wherein you are issued a dynamic ip every time you log in. That would prove detrimental to the trading post. Then there is the question of proxy servers. There is really too much to consider when dealing with online transactions. If we need to lock down the trading post because of abuses, then only a ftf transfer with a 3rd party witness would suffice. Perhaps an FTF day at a Site shoot? I don't know what is the solution right now. Is setting up a group COAR15 Trading post day where transactions can be held and some shooting done be too unreasonable? Once a month for now with other members present? Just spit balling here.Quote:
Originally Posted by sniper7
I may be in the minority opinion here, but in my personal case the post count and/or time would have been a negative impression for me. Found this site when I started getting interested in firearms, and I bought my first AR here that was probably about my 5th post. That was it for me, I was hooked, not only on the firearms aspect but also the amussing banter on this site.
Granted, I don't have to deal with the crap the MODs deal with, but from a user perspective it might have come out different for me had I had to be one of the "good ol boys" to actually get into the game.
Just my 2 cents and if you don't agree I'm happy to fully refund your purchase price on this opinion.
:)
BTW, I've learned more from the people on this site than I ever could hope to contribute. Thanks COAR15.
I agree, it SUCKS being a new guy and not meeting requirements because you don't post general BS alot. Not that shooting the shit is a bad thing, its just that some of us read, and if there is nothing valuable to contribute that hasn't been said before, we dont' feel the need to "+1" ... :P
So in essence, "+1" to the guy above me. HA!
Go ahead, mod me...I'm wearing my mod-proof vest Fooooo.
Wow...maybe I should stop drinking for the night.
I voted 50 only because 15 wasnt an option.
I voted 100, but then realized that as a newb myself I wouldn't be allowed to post over there without seriously utilizing the 'post whore thread', etc.
Post count shouldn't matter on boards, but apparently it does
Maybe a rule on the order of 'member in good standing for 45 days with at least 15 posts' would be appropriate?
If someone flags your posts more than 'N' times, where N>5, then your 'good standing' flag gets reset and you can't post in the for sale forums without resolving your issue with a moderator or three.
just my .02
I dont think there should be a post minimum. I am here to buy and sell.
Why would I care if someone has a certain amount of posts... I dont.
People need to be adults and read through the bull shit. There are always going to be the nerds that make stupid posts but in the end it dosent matter. Most of us are hear to find great deals on firearms and firearm accessories.
I was going to read all 12 pages of this thread, but I think i saw everything I needed to in 6. I don't think post counts mean anything more than someone has time to post more often than others. There are plenty of good guys with low post counts, and some real jerks with high post counts. In the end the feedback is the best way to keep people honest.
As far ad charging to have access to the trading post, I don't agree with that either. That turns away people with good deals, that might not be willing to pay to post. I came to this forum because I saw it mentioned on another one that charges. I liked the forum for more than the trading post section as soon as I checked it out. But honestly, I probably wouldn't post as often if there was a charge to take part in the classified section.
Just my opinion.
I think the membership here can separate the wheat from the chaff.
I don't like minimum posts counts on other boards either.
There will always be good guys and POS people regardless of post count.
I can see that there are a lot of people that do not follow the rules. One thing that might help is if we had a standardized for sale add layout, eg. Box 1: enter Price, Box 2: Enter item description, Box 3: enter trades etc... If all boxes do not have a valid input then the post just doesn't go through. If there is bullshit like $1 then you can just auto delete it. This would at least make people follow the posting rules a little better.
As far as posting count goes, I think that it would cause a bunch of extra crap to be posted all over that will not benefit anyone. Time on the website will fix most of the other problems. The one stop shoppers and sellers that are not likely to respect the rules of the forum will likely forget about the item in 10 days much less a month. I try to make all of my posts meaningful and it takes me a while to build up a post count. I have however bought multiple things from the trading post that have really helped me out from both noobs and vets of the site and I am still not up to 100 posts. During my day I pick a thread and read it, go to trading post for deals, look at another thread of interest, check the trading post for new deals, look at funny pictures thread, check the trading post... and so on.
This place is an amazing wealth of information, and hopefully with time I can contribute more to help those just starting out, but I think that adding too many regulations to the trading post will greatly reduce volume and eventually reduce interest in the site for a lot of people. I would be bummed if it was the same three guns being sold and traded back and fourth day after day.
Why not make it a time table as opposed to a post "count" this would keep people from posting all the +1 or other garbage. Member for 30/60/90 days?
Another subject that was brought up earlier that I would like to ask a question about is the archived trading post adds. Why are they still available for people to google and bring up? If it is possible I would like to see them permanently deleted once the last post is a month old. This would keep them dead, and would also aid the mods in minimizing junk posts.