You should see the finish on the shell deflector on my 300. Those short cases dinged most of the finish off in the first hundred rounds. Is something similar happening with the 458 cases?Quote:
Originally Posted by davsel
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You should see the finish on the shell deflector on my 300. Those short cases dinged most of the finish off in the first hundred rounds. Is something similar happening with the 458 cases?Quote:
Originally Posted by davsel
Can you post up a picture ?Quote:
Originally Posted by davsel
I have just under 100 rounds thru my RRA and there is no finish flaking off, some brass color transfer but no flaking.
Yeah, I'd be pissed if 3 rounds took the finish off an upper. Can you measure the ejection port and see if it was opened up enough? Even if it isn't I can't imagine brass being able to nick up anodizing or cerakote.
I'll try to post a pic Monday - no camera this weekend.
It came off along the inside upper sharp edge of the port - about 1.5 inches worth in the middle of the opening. It also came off where the port door pin rubs when closing the door. It appears they machined the top of the port - like you should (but they did it after anodizing), and then painted over the exposed aluminum with something that does not stick well. I haven't even put solvent through it yet. There are no dents or dings in the metal - yet.
I realize it is purely cosmetic, I just think I should have gotten something a bit more durable for the money.
Update?Quote:
Originally Posted by davsel
Sorry, haven't taken a pic yet.
Wilson Combat has chosen not to respond.
Bummer! I want to shoot it! lolQuote:
Originally Posted by davsel
I am thinking that I want to build one my self; might have to run some....
I'd like to get together and compare my RRA upper to the Wilson and see what the differences are. My upper is sitting on my DD lower that I had originally had setup for a 24" 5.56 project that is still having to wait. So it has a Mako monopod buttstock that keeps me on a longer LOP. Should still work for my hog hunting desires.
Are you saying your going to hog hunt with the 458 Socom?? Holy shmoly!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave
Yep. Saw people using a 45-70 for some bigger ones so I figured this would work.Quote:
Originally Posted by 10mm-man
Here's the pics of my Wilson Combat .458 SOCOM upper after firing 10 rounds.
I noticed some silver shining along the edge of the ejection port and scratched at it with my fingernail.
I'm sure the rest would come off in just a few minutes with my fingernail.
Wilson Combat still have not replied to my email.
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Yeah, I can't imagine that's right. Maybe the surface wasn't prepped right for the coating?
I sent another message to Wilson Customer Service and they replied asking for pics.
I sent them off - we'll see.
ETA:
Here's their reply:
I replied by restating that the "damage" came from my fingernail, and asking whether the port is anodized or painted.Quote:
David, I spoke with our Rifle gunsmith and he informed me that with the .458 socom being as large of a round as it is that it can actually do that in the situation you are referring to. It is the nature of that round being so large. I believe it is caused by the .458 socom maximizing all the available space in the AR-15 platform. Our gunsmith did recommended turning down the gas block a small amount in order to minimize damage. Be sure to let us know if there is anything else we can help you with. Thank You
Ok, here's the latest reply from Wilson Combat.
Notice, it does not state whether or not I will have to pay for the new coating, but I believe it should be covered by Wilson.
What do yall think I should do?
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David, If it was a stripped upper that was bought from us it is anodized. We usually suggest going with our armor tuff coating as anodizing can wear with any usage and the Armor tuff has a better resistance to wear. Every coating will wear it just depends on the amount of contact as to how fast it will wear. Anodizing is not as tough as the Armor tuff we offer but, we do offer to have the upper Armor Tuff coated if you would like. Please let us know how you would like to proceed. Thank you
After stating that I have never seen this happen on an upper receiver and asking to have the coating done free of charge, Wilson sent this:
I sent another email to the head of Customer Support restating the issue.Quote:
It is not that it will happen with every type of caliber of upper. It will indefinitely happen on the .458 socom as it is an extremely large caliber for the Ar-15 Platform. I do apologize for the coating issue. We do offer to coat the upper for a charge of $50. Please let us know if this would assist you as I believe the coating is going to wear in this area especially with .458 Socom. Thank You
Side Note: Wilson Combat offers a 10% discount on most of their stuff to LE and Military (active and retired). Had I noticed that (hidden somewhere in their website), I would have used it when ordering $890 worth of .458 SOCOM parts in the first place. Now they want an extra $50 plus shipping to fix a problem they created. I also noticed that they put it in writing that they do not provide a written warranty.
Ugh, sounds like crap from Wilson. If you have it recoated keep it local, I have to think there's a place in COS that can do it right instead of giving more money to Wilson.
Well, I have to give credit to Wilson Combat Customer Service Manager, Tressa Bohannan.
I am indeed 110% satisfied, as their website suggests.Quote:
Tressa Bohannan
3:13 PM (2 minutes ago)
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to me
In order to modify these into .458 we must cut through the hard anodize and then armor tuff the upper. We will refinish it at no cost, however that area will show wear after some use. This is normal wear the ammo will bounce off the port. Please send it back to us for a refinish.
I have also marked your account with the LEO. I have also re-invoiced your orders and refunded your card the 10%. $54.99 on one and $28.99.
Have no idea what there "Armor Tuff" is but since it flaked off with your fingernail.... I have items painted with Duplicolor single stage baked that have had 1000's of rounds bounced off it and it is still there.
If it does it again you buy the material and I will Cerakoat it for free. [Flower]
Good to hear they are making it right with you. Hope it gets fixed right and that they use this lesson to make sure it doesn't happen again.
I think the "Armor Tuff" is probably pretty good stuff. However, they failed to properly prep - according to their own website:Quote:
Originally Posted by jerrymrc
I believe all applied coatings tend to fail on sharp corners and polished surfaces. The first silver nicks I noticed were on the sharp 90 degree edge along the inner top of the ejection port. I was then able to flake it off, and the aluminum underneath appears to be freshly milled, almost polished. I included this information in my return "Thank You" email. I'll wait to see if they follow their own advice the second time around.Quote:
Before a firearm is coated with ARMOR-TUFF® the firearm is thoroughly sand blasted with fine grit media, then carefully dehorned and every surface prepared by hand. Every carbon steel firearm is phosphate parkerized before we apply the final finish to form a bonding surface for ARMOR-TUFF® that increases durability and corrosion resistance.
Sent the upper back yesterday.
Gives me time to load some more bullets.
Shocking... Regardless, I'm sure it will be made OK by Wilson... Eventually.Quote:
Originally Posted by davsel
Good news is T. Rumore/Tromix is back helping SBR and the 458S backlog... Rumor is SAAMI specs are close. Regardless, ENJOY any version of a 458S you have that works as it's pretty much fun/awesome!
MODS -- I'm all about a 2012 OUT/ LOCK so Some pro can start a 458S thread that's updated w/out the stupidity...
B2 - OUT
Just got the call from Wilson Combat letting me know they have bead-blasted and refinished the upper, and are sending it back to me today.
Still wish they would have anodized after milling the ejection port, but the Armor Tuff coating they apply is supposed to be good stuff.
I'll see.
Got the upper back all fresh and new. Assembled it, and put 10 rounds down the barrel.
Not a mark on it this time.
+1 Wilson Combat customer service (manager).
Glad they made it right for you. Hopefully they learned what they need to do for these from now on.
Bumping the thread back to the top of the "'other' caliber uppers" forum.
http://www.furfishgame.com/_assets/i...kRiverClip.jpg
I wouldn't mind one of these for Texas Hogs. What's the recoil like?
More than a .223, much less than a .308.
That's with 300 grn at about 1800 fps.
It's really more of a shove than a sharp rap (45 acp vs. 40)
Not bad at all.
20 gauge auto perhaps.
Always a difficult question to answer.
Yeah, I'd say mine with 350 grain rounds feels about the same as my Mossy 5XX pump action in 20 gauge. I really want to get back down to TX and try mine out on some hogs.
Bringing out the dead.....
I've been thinking about a 458S for awhile, I'm interested in hearing about how it performs on hog hunts, etc..
Sorry to throw in a non sequiter, but my next build is going to be a 458 SOCOM. There does not seem to be a plethora of sites to get parts for my build. Can someone give me some more input without breaking any rules about retailer recommendations. I've found parts at JSE, Primary Arms, KM Tactical, Brownell's, and Surplus Ammo, and that's about it.
Tony Rumore / Tromix was the production part of the team that developed it.
https://tromix.com/
Very good people to do business with.
Wilson combat is nice, but pricey.Quote:
Originally Posted by haygre
Just jumped into 458 socom.... upper, barrel, bcg, etc on the way. PLUS all the necessary reloading items. Wish rcbs nade a 3-way trimmer setup for this caliber, but ai can't find one? WTF
I'm now contemplating building an upper in this cartridge as well. From everything I've read, Tromix is really the best option in regard to barrels. Second to that would be RRA. I see Brownells offers a barrel in 458S, but so far no reviews on it. Once I pull the trigger on getting the barrel from Tromix, I'll start to piece together everything else. Reloading dies will likely be on my next Midway USA purchase as well.
I saw someone else had asked what optics people are running on their 458S rifles. I too am curious about that (excluding irons of course). I was thinking of going with a Vortex Spitfire 3x Prism with EBR reticle.
From all the research I've done, it looks like this cartridge really took off. This thing is gonna be a fun to sight in at BlueCore with a muzzle brake on it. [Evil]
Definitely will make an impression in an indoor range.
I run a SWFA 1-6x scope on mine and it is a perfect combination for me.
Reading on the 458SOCOM forum, Brownells (Satern) licensed the reamer from Marty (orignal designer of the 458S) so should be GTG. Wilson Combat and Radical went with a reverse engineered reamer from PTG, so they are frowned on a bit. I was hoping to try our the Radical barrel this weekend, but wind kept me away from the range.Quote:
Originally Posted by Squeeze
You mention building an upper for this cartridge. Don't forget, you will need a modified lower as well - the ejection port needs to be opened up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Squeeze
I run a Burris XTR 1-4 on mine, and my Wilson barrel is good to go.s
Good luck with the build, you will enjoy it.
Ummm....... The ejection ort is on the upper.......Quote:
Originally Posted by davsel