E.H. Going down??

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Originally Posted by 68Charger

And this is false- they immigrated in 1956, before Castro came to power- they were just immigrants, not political refugees

so the question of their loyalty should be vetted.

Since they did become US citizens by the time he was 4, they'd likely qualify him as a NBC... but I believe it should be done in a legal proceeding so there is no question.

ETA: when I made the original statement that he "fails the NBC test", I should have added something about "at first appearance" or "on the surface"
That was bad wording on my part.

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I thought I read or heard they were refugees. Could be wrong on that point.

Still enjoyed the discussion.

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Originally Posted by Bailey Guns

Good discussion! Here's a quote from the Heritage Guide:

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Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are "natural born citizens" and eligible to be President.

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So that would pretty much rule out your Hitler's child scenario.

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agreed- I was speaking about the spirit of the law, making the case for why it's not so simple that you're just born on US soil.

so it really comes down to his parents- their intentions & loyalty to the US... which I think clears him (since they became citizens), but it should be a matter of record, not something that birthers are going to dig up later and cry foul.
Even if his parents did NOT become citizens, but were not found to be enemies of the state- he could be cleared, but the vetting needs to be done for the good of the office.

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Originally Posted by Bailey Guns

I thought I read or heard they were refugees. Could be wrong on that point.

Still enjoyed the discussion.

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I believe it was misstated at one point- perhaps even by Sen. Rubio... he's human [Tooth]

I enjoyed the debate, too...

anyways, back to EH.

looks like there might be a decision today or tomorrow by congress if Holder will be held in contempt.

SCOTUS will rule on obamacare on thursday.

There's some new information coming out about Dodson, the original F&F whistleblower. Might complicate things.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012...ed-gunwalking/

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Originally Posted by FoxNews

Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., in bringing up the case by name unprompted, was effectively pre-empting what could come to light in a possible document dump: that the operation was planned and carried out at the field level without the knowledge of DOJ higher-ups.

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