Aloha, I agree for the most part. It was a cluster fuck. But I think the way the GOP is handling this is more for personal political gain than for doing the right thing.
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Aloha, I agree for the most part. It was a cluster fuck. But I think the way the GOP is handling this is more for personal political gain than for doing the right thing.
That's a load of BS. Overall funding to the State Department was cut for a variety of reasons but they had TONS of funding to address security problems at the worst spots. The State Department were the ones who decided it was more important to spend that funding on fluff rather than providing security for a consulate in one of the worst spots in the world. That's sheer incompetence -- or conniving to make political points (like how Clinton chose to shut down National Parks during the budget standoff with Gingrich rather than shut down useless unnoticeable activities like the Dept of Education, EPA, etc. for a few weeks) in which case it should be regarded as a High Crime or Misdemeanor.Quote:
Originally Posted by nynco
I hope that doesn't stop you from wanting to know the truth. Whatever the reasons are, everyone has the right to the truth. This gov is worse than Bush when it comes to transparency.Quote:
Originally Posted by nynco
Do you really think people fall for the dishonest comments you make? You attacked the idea of using armed drones to aid the defenders of the consulate with the claim that it would start a war. That was you being the "arm chair quaterback". When I point out the silliness of the statement, you pretend you were talking about "boots on the ground". An equally silly statement since we had CIA "boots on the ground" already but an intentionally dishonest silly statement on your part.Quote:
Originally Posted by nynco
Agreed except the Bush part. To me sunshine is the best disinfectant. But part of that sunshine is we need to have an opposition that wants to do the right thing rather than only what is best for their party. You can't make it work unless both sides are trying to do the right thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChunkyMonkey
Obama - and his supporters - "handle" this by lying, by shouting "squirrel" about irrelevant things, and by pretending that its all a racist attack on Susan Rice.Quote:
Originally Posted by nynco
No one falls for these dishonest rhetorical tricks you engage in.
Sunshine is the best disinfectant? Another example of why you are lucky that you can't die from irony poisoning.Quote:
Originally Posted by nynco
I personally think that if we used armed drones that, that action would have been used by our enemies to do more damage to the nation. It would be playing into their hands. As to the CIA asset, I don't expect one or even a few guys lightly armed to save the day. I think that Obama was afraid to escalate, which in hind sight to many was wrong (arm chair quarterbacking)Quote:
Originally Posted by spqrzilla
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Originally Posted by spqrzilla
Dude WTF, I am agree with you guys and you still attack me for it? Pick your battles better and learn to see when people are agreeing with you better.
nynco, you don't even admit that your comment was dishonest.
That's why people here can't stand you. Not your opinions, your dishonest rhetoric.
Sunshine is the best disinfection... meaning Obama needs to be more open like Monkey opined about transparency. Get it?
Says the mouthpiece for the liberal propaganda regime. [ROFL1]Quote:
Originally Posted by nynco
Dear lord... here it goes again. Everyone gang up
Huffington Post can't really be considered very reliable. And you think the Dems are doing the right thing here, or something even close? Changing stories, disinformation, distraction, and so on.
And really, nynco, you have to consider that most folks on this forum are decidedly NOT sympathetic to left-of-center politics, or what you would consider "centrist" from what I can tell. I mean, you go on about how Obama is "to the right" of all sorts of examples. So when you come in here and start defending Obama, Reid, Pelosi, Boxer, and Schumer's policies and desires you have to expect that you're going to get some pushback from that. I find it a bit amusing that you are (or make a show of being) surprised about that. When you walk into a lion's den wearing a steak suit you have to expect some attention.
Surprised no, I understand and expect that. But I offer a view that is different and I will explain myself when I can. (like many others) I just take issue with missuse of terms, like evil "socialist" stuff.
Then why don't they just hang out with the rest of the Republicans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aloha_Shooter
They do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irving
Yah, we quit making them wear pink triangles last year.
There are tons of log cabin Republicans 99% of them are still in the closet... like Rove or the preacher in Co Springs with his meth man boy toy and many others. Its a regular thing in the news when they are caught. Most of the time they are the most vocal anti gay people. Repression causes a lot of mental issues... but hey what eva[ROFL2]
If you understand the tenor of the conversation, do not care to be attacked or insulted, and come here because of a shared common interest in guns, then why comment in the political threads? You know you think differently then the bulk of this particular community on this particular issue. You know the reaction you are going to get. You profess your angst about the way you are treated, yet persist in repeating the same actions. Do you know what they say about repeating the same actions but expecting different results?
As an outside observer, though not an impartial one, I also have to say that you bring up homosexuality a lot. Usually as a non-sequitur or a defense mechanism. It's tedious, immature, and undercuts any point you are trying to make. Of what pertinence is the political affiliation of homosexuals to the topic this thread? If it is something you want to discuss, why not start your own thread?
I have no problem with people disagreeing with me. Its the other garbage.
As to the gay stuff... I was commenting on someone elses fascination for it. Then others asked me what the hell the Log Cabin Republicans were. I could care less about it. But if someone attacks me, I will reply. Just don't blame me for their ship.
All I did was tell you to shove a coconut up your butt , it was you who brought up the gay crap .
nynco = pussyQuote:
Originally Posted by nynco
Awe look I have a pathetic stalker now and you guys call me a troll.[werdo]
nynco- just to clarify- there really isn't that big of a difference between socialism and communism- socialism is an economic system, communism is an economic and governmental system. Either way, both involve state ownership of property and workforce, and both are not free market economies, both are not the way we do things here in this country, and if we ever do, both have been proven to be colossal failures. And by your thinking Obama wasn't brought up around and embraces communism, you are sadly ill-informed. And your assumption (I can only guess you're assuming, because it's blatantly inaccurate) that the American Communist Party can fit into a phone booth is way off base- there are more in this nation that embrace and support communism that anyone here would like to admit... it's a growing population, and most of them don't even know it... In fact, most democrats, without knowing the way it works, are communist supporters. Anyone living off of welfare with no desire to get off the system are, for lack of a better term, communists, whether they admit it or not. Anyone who supports this democratic ideal that everyone be paid their fair share, and everyone pay their fair share, and that the government can run our lives better than we can, are in fact, communist supporters, whether they knowingly admit it or not. You may disagree, but the fact remains, and I'm going to call a spade a spade and not beat around the bush, the modern "progressive" movement, and democratic party is in at least some way supportive of communism as a form of government here in America, if not 100% then at least somewhat.
Ronin the world is not black and white. I will say that markets with no rules, what you guys call free are just as bad if not worse than what you fear.
"Yeah that looks good, just set all of that shit down right there. We've got a happy hour to make."Quote:
Originally Posted by ThunderSquirrel
I'm aware the world isn't black and white... There are rules, and you seem to be very disgruntled towards wallstreet... what's wrong? Did you get tazed at your occupy rally? At least in this "abusive" market I get to keep what I make (mostly) and can buy what I want. Under communism/socialism, I wouldn't get the choice between Top Ramen and Maruchan, it would all be USG branded ramen. Oh and guns aren't allowed.Quote:
Originally Posted by nynco
All the happiest countries in the world are what you would call socialist. Seems to be something is not as you think. Guns mean nothing to this debate. Totally unrelated subject. Example it is legal and encouraged to use a silencer in Scandinavian countries all of which are what you would label as socialist. The insane right wing terrorist shooter of Norway had assault weapons. So they are not banned in socialist countries. Stop buying into the black and white world view that all socialism is bad. Because I think our socialist roads, fire depts and COUNTLESS other things are what makes this a great nation. We need more of that.
Ok I'm gonna hafta call bullshit on that. Come on man...put down the MSNBC talking points pamphlets and take your head out of your ass. There hasn't been a successful socialist nor communist country in the history of the world. You can argue all you want...and any data supporting your opinion is too short-sighted to show the real picture.Quote:
Originally Posted by nynco
You say I'm thinking in black and white, but you present an argument that is plainly black and white- social programs does not make a country socialist. 1930's/40's Germany was a socialist country. 1917-1989 Russia was a communist country. Norway has many social programs, but they are not exactly an extreme example (like Nazi Germany) of a socialist nation. Fire Departments, roads, etc. here are not socialist, you must be obsessed with your 4th point of contact, because your head is all the way up it!Quote:
Originally Posted by nynco
ETA: Pugnac posted as I was typing out my response, but I find it utterly hilarious that we both think nynco's head is up his ass... [ROFL1][Beer]
Read away from a right wing source too
http://www.forbes.com/sites/christop...est-countries/
Norway, Denmark, Australia, New Zealand, Sweden, Canada, Finland, Switzerland, the Netherlands and Finland. The US just barely cracks into it at number 10. Which in years past were at something like 18 (the Bush years).
[facepalm][facepalm][facepalm][facepalm][facepalm][facepalm][facepalm][facepalm][facepalm][facepalm][facepalm]Quote:
Originally Posted by nynco
There is no hope for you nynco. No hope at all. You really should work on your reading comprehension.
Bingo not exactly an extreme example. Just like Obama is not an extreme communist or "socialist" like you fear. He is to the right of damn near every politician in the Scandinavian Countries on economic issues and most all social issues. Norway has almost twice the entreprenuer rate as the US. Seems those "socialist" "commies" up there are more capitalist than we are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ronin13
I offer you proof with facts you give nothing in return but your opinion based on what? your feelings? and you say there is no hope for me. Look in the mirrorQuote:
Originally Posted by PugnacAutMortem
http://www.inc.com/magazine/20110201...socialism.html
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Originally Posted by nynco
You are the worst broken record I have ever seen...[Bang]Quote:
Originally Posted by nynco
All that was missing from those other two posts was how bad Fox News is.
So far Pug all you have in a reply is to attack me personally. I just gave you proof of my assertions, your reply is that I am hopeless... for what using facts?
For what,(comma) using facts?Quote:
Originally Posted by nynco
No you gave me opinions of other people masquerading as proof. You need to look up the word "proof" in the dictionary.Quote:
Originally Posted by nynco