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Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
I don’t have a dog in this fight either. It is all about performance and it has been interesting to watch.
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Are you new?!? Get off the innerwebz!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
I don’t have a dog in this fight either. It is all about performance and it has been interesting to watch.
If you don't give a shit about the political or environmental aspects go drive a Tesla Model S. That's what I did. It's simply the best car I've ever driven and it's not even close either. It really is on another level and has the best of all aspects combined into one vehicle. If anyone wants a ride just let me know. I'm happy to demo these things for people who have never been in one and answer any and all questions they may have.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeffrey Lebowski
Personally i like the concept and I'd drive an EV if it could actually replace what my bro dozer does, but even the prototypes on paper can't do what my 20 year old f250 is capable of let alone a new duramax.
Curious what specifically your 20 year old F250 does that something like the Rivian can't. I agree, on paper they look like world beaters so I'm curious what's missing from the spec sheet that you use regularly. Obviously one of the massive differences would be price tag of buying a 20-year-old F250 and one of these new Rivians but that aside (admittedly a massive non-starter for many, rightly so), what is it they can't do that yours can?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wulf202
If battery capacity ever gets significantly better, and charging stations/technology (i.e. quicker charging) ever improves, I'd be all in on a good SUV version. I like road tripping, and long distance driving is a requirement, so unfortunately what is available is out of the question for me, but I really don't understand the unwarranted hate towards EV's.
That's definately #1... you could buy a 20 Year old Diesel and still have money left to buy thousands of gallons of fuel AND whatever trailer you want to tow with it for similar money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jer
#2 I've seen commercials where they talk about towing a travel trailer. With a 20-year old 3/4 ton Diesel, you also can- including nearly any gooseneck or fifth wheel, which is going to be a no-go with the Rivian's 55" bed
#3 speaking of the 55" bed, can you get 2 round hay bales, or 4 square bales on it? (I don't even think it could take the weight of 2400-3000#)
#4 How about contracting? You're going to be bending sheetrock if it's hanging over the tailgate... and forget about 12' lumber or ranch gates without a trailer...
#5 I could drive off with a Diesel truck now (already have 2). When is the 180kW version going to be available? Have They even published a price on it yet? Because you're going to need lots more "range" if you start using it like a 3/4 ton.
Stick with comparing it to F150s... most of those are not used like real trucks most of the time anyway (some never). Many could not do some things on this list either.
ETA: I'm comparing to my 20 year old 3/4 ton flat-bed Diesel, since I've never seen wulf's F250. I tried to avoid smart-ass answers like "buy a set of batteries without a loan"... but this is by no means an exhaustive list.
68charger nailed it. My 20 year old diesels are cheap and easy to work on. Hell my 12 valve is emp resistant bone stock and runs off used motor oil. On road trips I do 12 hours with only stops for bathroom needs, I have auxiliary tanks when I need them. In bed campers?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jer
I can post pictures of my 8' bed stacked even with the cab of drywall (90 sheets of 5/8, 5 of 1/2). Loads of heavy stuff to the dump... An 8 ft bed is far to useful to me. Also the load rating is 14k on the goose, which is less than it can actually handle. I've had a 16k backhoe on a 7500lb trailer.
I've seen duramax's do 32k over the mountains and 48k in the plains.
As someone who has driven 2,500 miles across the US as recent as a few months ago in an EV I'm curious what you envision a road trip in one to look like that you think you need more range and faster charging than what is currently available. I've heard a lot of negativity surrounding EVs as far as range & charging go so I'm curious how that looks from someone who feels it's a driving factor.Quote:
Originally Posted by hurley842002
Agreed on the unwarranted hate to EVs. It really is beyond me why some hate the very idea like it kicked their dog or something.
Just to make sure, you're comparing to one of those new Rivian trucks, right? I wouldn't buy a new $100k truck or car either but that's just me. The real interesting time is when we start to see a used market for these vehicles so that normal folk can afford them.Quote:
Originally Posted by 68Charger
You're also comparing diesels now which is removed from the F250 conversation we were having. I will agree that an EV pick-up doesn't fit every need but this requires you to admit the same thing for a 1-ton diesel. Cherry picking a situation where it may outperform (we don't even know what is coming but shit I'm reading says this may not be the case) and act like everything else doesn't exist. I will never try to convince the world that an EV is perfect for everyone and every need but there are entirely too many people out there willing to state that not a single one can meat a single individual need of anyone which is disingenuous.
Having taken my truck to the salvage yard where they unload you with a giant magnet, I wonder what would happen to an EV.
Also a short bed sucks for towing 5th wheels no matter the drive train.