Our argument in a nutshell: Waking the dragon — How Feinstein fiddled while America burned

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Originally Posted by Zundfolge

AAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!! [panic]

/Zundfolge is later found in the fetal position under his desk.

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"we found him laying prostate on the floor".. [Coffee]

Hey, self-immolation is the ultimate "emo" thing to do - I totally get it. :-)

I was self-emulating, just earlier today.

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Originally Posted by Hound

I don't advocate a civil war and agree we are not near one now but.... At the end of the Bush years we were close to an economic cliff much as Greece is today. They are having a civil war and the government is afraid of losing power. Are we there, no, could we be.... It depends on how things go from year to year. What is to say that in 20 years the economy has broken from debt, a government overreaction has not lead to the populus being tired of it. Small things nobody saw lead to unrest boiling over. Rodney King and the LA riots, a taxi driver in Egypt, a monk self emolating, a man running into a bank and demanding all of his money causing a depression. It is not crazy or ridiculous, it is learning from history to be prepared because enough unrest leads to civil war. How you prepare is up to each family but should not be put down unless taken to an extreme that affects others. Right now it looks like the economy is turning around and we are less upset overall but who is to say what will happen tomorrow.

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Wow, where the hell are you getting this crap from? We were NOT anywhere NEAR a cliff as bad as Greece in 2007 or 2008. Much of what was wrong was concentrated in a few sick areas which were being overblown by the media in order to make a bad situation look even worse for the 2008 elections. They kept repeating this "worst economy in 60 years" BS despite the very recent very apparent example worse economy: the Carter malaise. Interestingly, some of those sectors have recovered while the decay has spread wider across the general economy but we're still not even close to Greece's level yet (until Obama's markers come due).

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Originally Posted by Omicron

um, that's what I did, then deleted the repost. Look at the date. Oi. :)

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No you didn't -- newracer's thread was a repost itself. Look at the time. Oi yourself. [Beer] [Flower]

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Originally Posted by Aloha_Shooter

Wow, where the hell are you getting this crap from? We were NOT anywhere NEAR a cliff as bad as Greece in 2007 or 2008. Much of what was wrong was concentrated in a few sick areas which were being overblown by the media in order to make a bad situation look even worse for the 2008 elections. They kept repeating this "worst economy in 60 years" BS despite the very recent very apparent example worse economy: the Carter malaise. Interestingly, some of those sectors have recovered while the decay has spread wider across the general economy but we're still not even close to Greece's level yet (until Obama's markers come due).

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May I add...
This is implying that the economic woes of '08 were the fault of Bush and his administration. This simply is not the case as that's just, conveniently, when the bubble (originating with the Clinton Administration) burst. Now our future, thanks to an election last November, has the potential to make '08 look like a bad day for the DOW.

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Originally Posted by Singlestack

Do you seriously believe one guy asking for his money from a bank can cause a depression? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_...eat_Depression

Not sure what "emolating" means, but guessing you are referring to immolation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-immolation

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Do I think that was the spark of the great depression, yes. Do I think that was the cause, no. There were a lot of things building up to it, over many years but there is a tipping point with all rebellions. You never know what it is going to be. We just got through seeing how even in a modern stock market, fear kept driving us down, past were logical reason would have stopped. A guy saying the bank is out of money in the 20's and everybody running in to grab their money, not being able to get it, when banks were not trusted to begin with... That is where the term "A Run on the banks" comes from. Where I put the statements in was meant to show this.

Ya, been playing too much D2 and spell check missed it. I suck at spelling, enough said.

Self Immolation in the case of Thich Quang Duc was seen by many as the start of the Vietnam war and also the more recent 'Arab Spring' in some countries. Again, the point is that 'stable' societies can suddenly become unstable when it is least expected.

BTW: I don't generally take Wiki as a good source in debates ;)

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Originally Posted by Ronin13

May I add...
This is implying that the economic woes of '08 were the fault of Bush and his administration. This simply is not the case as that's just, conveniently, when the bubble (originating with the Clinton Administration) burst. Now our future, thanks to an election last November, has the potential to make '08 look like a bad day for the DOW.

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Ya, two wars, tax cuts for the rich and finally a give away at the teasury (Corporate welfare)... Rewritting history does not make it so. And ya we were on the cliff unless the simple math is too hard. Using the S&P adjusted for inflation we lost 80% of GDP at the lowest point of the Great Depression. We lost almost 60% in 2008. Folks, that's a cliff, pure and simple. If we had kept on with the current policies of the time it would have been much worse and Bush after 8 years gets FULL ownership. 4 years might have a weak case... 8 years she is all yours.

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Originally Posted by Hound

Ya, two wars, tax cuts for the rich and finally a give away at the teasury (Corporate welfare)... Rewritting history does not make it so. And ya we were on the cliff unless the simple math is too hard. Using the S&P adjusted for inflation we lost 80% of GDP at the lowest point of the Great Depression. We lost almost 60% in 2008. Folks, that's a cliff, pure and simple. If we had kept on with the current policies of the time it would have been much worse and Bush after 8 years gets FULL ownership. 4 years might have a weak case... 8 years she is all yours.

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Psst... you've got some Michelle Obama brand lipstick on your lips... Kissing the same ass as Carney?
I wasn't saying Bush gets no blame, but not 100% of it. Your talking points, while valid, do have a smarmy, Liberal tinge to them.

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Originally Posted by Ronin13

Psst... you've got some Michelle Obama brand lipstick on your lips... Kissing the same ass as Carney?
I wasn't saying Bush gets no blame, but not 100% of it. Your talking points, while valid, do have a smarmy, Liberal tinge to them.

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Remember...that's coming from someone who said Louisiana was a republican state during Katrina and there wasn't a democrat in sight (paraphrased). Except for the governor (Blanco), the mayor of NO, the management of the city, numerous democrats in both houses of the state legislature, etc... Pretty much the entire top leadership of the state and city of NO.

And Hound's talking points are straight out of the democrat playbook. Let's not mince words and call them "tinged" with liberalism. FFS...tax cuts for the rich? Zero credibility if you can't even understand the differences between simple concepts: like tax cuts and not raising tax rates.