ATF DEMANDS LIST OF 80% AR LOWER BUYERS

" I'm no expert (hell, I'm not even a novice) on polymers or how one would go about producing such a lower in that fashion, but I can see how someone might think they made the lower, then filled in the area with a different color as a means to produce this product."

Very interesting thought as the "lower" has already been produced. A fully completed one. Basically produced a lower, filled it, then claim its an 80% lower.
With that in mind any lower could be filled with wax, polymer, etc and be called an 80%. So could a company such as spikes make an aluminum lower, fill it with polymer and call it an 80%. Customer wood only have to remove the polymer. Just as the above lowers.
Just some thoughts. I have no clue about 80% rules and regs

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Originally Posted by OneGuy67

At the last Tanner show, there was a guy selling these lowers in a kit. The polymer felt flimsy to me at the mag well, but it was an interesting concept. The trigger group area was a different color polymer and with the included bit, you just removed the different colored polymer with it until it was gone and you allegedly had the correct dimensions. I'm no expert (hell, I'm not even a novice) on polymers or how one would go about producing such a lower in that fashion, but I can see how someone might think they made the lower, then filled in the area with a different color as a means to produce this product.

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Ahhh, I get it now. Interesting concept. I guess depending on how the multi-colored 80% lower is initially manufactured, I can understand ATF's concern. I don't agree with ATF harassing folks but that goes without saying.

Didnt read whole thread, but in regards to the filling the lower in after the fact. Article I read said they claim the center firing pin block is made first and rest built upon that? #7 . http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/201...-atf-raid-now/

Course I suppose that could be wordplay since that would still depending on how they do it still amount to the same as a lower and filling it back in.

Here is a vid showing how this dude finished off an EP. It gives you an idea of how it is arranged.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxcSlOVeXlQ

The white piece is a waffle and the outer back fills the spaces. It gives you warning on how deep you are when milling. I guess technically you could reverse it and fill with white, but I cannot think of how that mold would work.

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Originally Posted by fitz19d

Course I suppose that could be wordplay since that would still depending on how they do it still amount to the same as a lower and filling it back in.

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If I have a small piece of aluminum - just a 3"x2" block and I put that in the middle of a form that turns out 80% uppers (think filling a mold - not milling out from a billet block). Did I ever manufacture a complete lower? Lets say this small block inst square anymore - but it has some pegs (still aluminium) stick out of it in certain directions. I put it in the middle of the same mold and fill it up with aluminum - have I made a complete lower? Now take it one more -- that same piece of aluminum with the pegs is a different color than the aluminium I am going to use to fill the mold. When I fill the mold have I created a complete lower? You can see the two distinct colors - one looks like an odd square with some cylindrical rods coming out of it, the other color looks EXACTLY like a completed lower.

Chemically the two different colors are the same material - they are bonded at the molecular level. So how is it that the piece that is one color is any different from the piece that is another color?

^^ I think you would've lost the average ATF agent at, "If I have a small piece of aluminum...".

Just came across this on Instagram

https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...s%20armor&sm=1

I feel safer...

How long do cell phone cameras have to be around before people stop taking vertical videos?

Hoping mods move this to gd