Snowden interview 05.28.14

I did watch the nbc last night. That was the only fun stuff on tv (do not have cable). I do not know who to believe anymore.

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Originally Posted by crashdown

He made it very clear why he couldn't of stayed and "faced the music" in the interview last night.
Pretty hard to win a case if all of your evidence is classified and can not be discussed in any court.

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Interestingly enough...... Its not so classified now. I wonder if the courts would allow it now as a submission in his court case. That actually makes what he is doing more self serving.

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Originally Posted by Rooskibar03

I beleive during the interview he discussed how he did "go through the proper channels" and was politely told the STHU.

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Originally Posted by tmckay2

snowmen should have stayed and faced the music. it not only gives him significant credence, but it allows it to stay in the spotlight as there would be a lot of people pissed if he doesn't get a fair trial or is jus thrown in jail or whatever. thats a true hero. does what is right regardless of the consequences. to tuck tail and go to our enemies? you can't help but expect that to raise some eye brows about motives. did russia and china open their doors out of the goodness of their hearts? i kind of doubt it.

did the founding fathers oppose the crown then tuck tail and skirt off to some distant land? no. they said do your worst.

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Originally Posted by Hound

Interestingly enough...... Its not so classified now. I wonder if the courts would allow it now as a submission in his court case. That actually makes what he is doing more self serving.

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it's not? are you certain he's been offered a trial in open court with all the information for the public to see? and if so, do you have a source?

Ask William Binney how 'sticking around" worked for him.

Just got done watching the interview in it's entirety, seems very edited (it would have been better to just go straight through instead of NBC editing it). I will say this, having been in the intelligence community, he did break the law (sort of), he did violate the rules of classified material... HOWEVER, is it so bad when he's breaking the law to show that certain programs and actions conducted by various agencies within the government went against the constitution? I see PFC Manning doing more harm to national security than Snowden. Is he a traitor? I think not. Is he a hero? Jury is still out on that, but he does make some great points, and I do feel like he won't receive a fair trail in the slightest.

Hero and Patriot.. Even if in the end it only temporarily slows down big brother..

sent from a soup can and some string..

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Originally Posted by Hound

Interestingly enough...... Its not so classified now. I wonder if the courts would allow it now as a submission in his court case. That actually makes what he is doing more self serving.

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No. It's still classified. Just because it's on the news doesn't mean that's changed.

If you don't believe me, file a freedom of information act request to see the data that's been collected on you... spoiler alert. You'll get a letter that says something to the effect of "we can't comment on whether or not the information you're requesting exists because to do so would be damaging to national security".

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Originally Posted by Mick-Boy

No. It's still classified. Just because it's on the news doesn't mean that's changed.

If you don't believe me, file a freedom of information act request to see the data that's been collected on you... spoiler alert. You'll get a letter that says something to the effect of "we can't comment on whether or not the information you're requesting exists because to do so would be damaging to national security".

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The stuff that has been released is in the public domain and so is considered public but unconfirmed. The burden of proof goes from Snowden having to prove XYZ exists to the Gov having to prove it doesn't... but you are right from a technical standpoint. These types of arguments are what I was alluding to. If he does come back it will be very interesting how it is handled. A good example of this are the Iran Contra trials during Reagan. Everything was classified and yet a lot of it came out.

Had a judge tell me once "If you are looking for justice you won't find it in my courtroom! You will find the LAW!" I remember at the time hearing Sylvester Stallone in my head... "I never broke the law! I AM the law!" though Rico was probably more insightful - "Guilt, and innocence, is a matter of timing."

While I certainly understand the statement it seems to contradict the spirit (and intent) of the "Justice" system and one reason I view as dubious the comments advocating "take it to court" as the ultimate remedy to oppression and injustice, especially as perpetrated by those in official capacity.