Bill Whittle: Conservatives Don't Believe Their Own Message

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Originally Posted by Sharpienads

I don't understand why some people who say "less government" want the government to pass laws telling people what they can do. Until the gay movement adopts a freedom mindset, I will not support gay marriage. I will never support elective abortion and just don't understand how people have no problem with it.

I get tired of these two specific topics being used as the benchmark for whether or not you support civil rights, human rights, freedom, whatever. If being able to kill your unborn child and successfully getting your government to give you the right to marry who you want to are your definitions of freedom, I feel sorry for you.

As for the OP's list, I think I've seen everyone of those items advocated for on this forum, except for the race entitlement.

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Very good, I like this alot.

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Originally Posted by Bailey Guns

Yeah...there's no such thing as a "pro gun" liberal. If someone is voting for liberals or democrats, they aren't pro gun. At all. They may own guns, they may like guns...but they aren't pro gun in the political and/or constitutional sense and they aren't my friend if that's how they vote.

Anyone who votes for liberals/democrats is supporting a political party that wants to "fundamentally change America", works against almost everything I believe in and works for almost everything I don't believe in...and I am against that 100%.

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Agree 100%. A pro-gun liberal is his own enemy.

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Originally Posted by Bailey Guns

Anyone who votes for liberals/democrats is supporting a political party that wants to "fundamentally change America", works against almost everything I believe in and works for almost everything I don't believe in...and I am against that 100%.

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This completely sums up how I feel, and I couldn't have stated it better (at least not nearly as politely, and without calling into question anyone's motives or sanity)...

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Originally Posted by Sharpienads

If being able to kill your unborn child and successfully getting your government to give you the right to marry who you want to are your definitions of freedom, I feel sorry for you.

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I laughed, I cried, I stared in disbelief. This thread is just...yeah.

Fiscal conservatism is included in the republican platform. It's not the idea, it's the way people implement it or don't implement. And it shouldn't be too hard to figure out I'm talking about the contemporary definition of conservatism. It's about a lot more than just fiscal policy.

And I don't have a problem with gays, either. I don't necessarily condone it, but I don't demonize it, either. I don't think being gay makes anyone special.

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Originally Posted by roberth

Agree 100%. A pro-gun liberal is his own enemy.

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A pro gun liberal is OUR worst enemy. How can you say you support Common Sense, then vote a progressive agenda.

Here's the LIBERAL / PROGRESSIVE AGENDA. It's not an influx of ILLEGALS , but an OPPORTUNITY. Might as well fuk me dry now.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014...n-opportunity/

"This crisis that some call a crisis, we have to view as an opportunity," Pelosi said. "If you believe as we do that every child, every person has a spark of divinity in them, and is therefore worthy of respect -- what we saw in those rooms was [a] dazzling, sparkling, array of God's children, worthy of respect."


Fucking Please this ovarian septic system invokes GOD AND DIVINITY in the same sentence. So sad 50% of voters are right there with her. Awaiting the OPPORTUNITY to EMBRACE another ILLEGAL entry to OUR COUNTRY. One more reason to Vote Bob Beauprex in November.

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Originally Posted by HBARleatherneck

i didnt watch the video. I am pretty conservative. but. Reagan was no friend of mine. he brought us illegals and amnesty. which has put us where we are today. he was also the president when we had the last major gun US wide gun control. so fuck reagan as some kind of conservative. he was a piece of shit politician just like the rest. except he gave us the entertaining bonzo movies.


oh and i know some of you will say reagan said that he regretted amnesty later. too fucking bad. lost of murders regretted commiting murder after the fact.

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Originally Posted by asmo

Yes, because it was originally meant to allude to FISCAL conservatism. All the other emotional and religious baggage just happened to carry on with it. Now people seem to glom on to the concept that is all about the religious issues and who the fuck cares about the fiscal side.

If you are going to tell others what they can or cannot do - based on some belief you have - then you need to be a Democrat, thats it. The Republican party needs to get back to is FISCAL conservative roots and drop all the other crap. Thats what many of us who keep saying "Let the gay marriage/abortion/slave ownership/stone people to death" crap go --- its so we can get back to what matters.

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+1, thanks for saving me some typing.

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Originally Posted by asmo

Yes, because it was originally meant to allude to FISCAL conservatism. All the other emotional and religious baggage just happened to carry on with it. Now people seem to glom on to the concept that is all about the religious issues and who the fuck cares about the fiscal side.

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Mmmm ... no. There are all kinds of conservatives and always have been. Social conservatives have just as much right to the title "conservative" as fiscal conservatives -- and the odd thing is that the positions being advocated by either are really moderate if you look at the big picture but we've allowed the Democrats to shift the frame of reference so what was merely liberal is now "moderate" while radical ideas are just "liberal" or "progressive" and true moderates are now "extreme conservatives."

Those of you who seem to insist "true" conservatives have some exact set of beliefs or who denigrate others as "RINOs" are just as much of a problem as the stupid Obamabots. Reagan pushed for the Big Tent because he realized the only way to win was to unite people who agreed with each other 70-90% of the time rather than let them focus on the 10-30% disagreements.

I am a Libertarian. Screw Romney also, most people don't even know he passed firearm ban legislature in his home state... I usually side with Bill on things, but Romney? Nope. That last election was about voting for the lesser evil, sadly, we got the greater evil, but still.. As far as the rest of the video, it was great!

I'm a big fan of Bill Whittle. I find it humorous that you used a video of him in your post, BG, and still said things like:

Seriously...if:

• you believe abortion is OK or a conservative shouldn't talk about it, you might not be a conservative
• you think same sex marriage is OK, you might not be a conservative

He has an uncanny ability to hit the nail on the head and he does so in the following video by saying "you don't have a right not to be offended in this country". I think 'real' conservatives and the party they follow would be a lot more successful if they followed this view as much as they want their liberal and progressive counterparts to.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAbzWiYPv6k

Bill Whittle believes that government should have nothing to do with any kind of marriage. And he is "personally opposed prochoice". Conservative does not equal evangelical and evangelical does not equal conservative although you can be both in this country and I have a sincere admiration for people that are. I just believe that the 'conservatives' you're talking about should start calling themselves the 'how it used to be'rs' at least in regards to their politics. It would be more honest... And it would put up a nice warning flag for younger 'conservatives' so that they can avoid being slowly cowed into someone else's dogma that originated in a point in time before theirs... and that will also ultimately end before their time is up.

I do agree that conservatives absolutely shouldn't change or modify their beliefs that they believe make them conservative. They just shouldn't try to turn those beliefs into legislation. Same goes for the the people on the left.

Bill Whittle for president. Amen.

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Originally Posted by Aloha_Shooter

Those of you who seem to insist "true" conservatives have some exact set of beliefs or who denigrate others as "RINOs" are just as much of a problem as the stupid Obamabots. Reagan pushed for the Big Tent because he realized the only way to win was to unite people who agreed with each other 70-90% of the time rather than let them focus on the 10-30% disagreements.

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I agree with you and your statement is smart, but it kind of blows the whole 'you can't be a pro 2A democrat' argument to shit.