But there's also something to be said for being able to quickly retrieve that hammer and use it efficiently if you're a roofer versus having to dig through a giant tool box when all you're doing is hammering nails.Quote:
Originally Posted by TFOGGER
Conversely, a hammer isn't necessarily the best tool to remove a bolt. Moving back to the original topic, by all means, carry concealed and be proficient in the use of your chosen firearm, but it doesn't hurt to have a few other options to deal with situations not of your making. Alternatives are good [Flower]
Are we still talking about CCW? [hammer]
You absolutely do need to be able to handle yourself in a hand to hand confrontation. Never bring a gun to a knife fight.
On the other side of it, having too many tools in your bag brings hesitation. Learn the concepts, drill them until the actions become reactions, don't overcomplicate things for yourself.
Also, Ayoob is a douchemonger.
I get the saying but you're missing the point. Instead of a hammer maybe I should have said Leatherman. It won't do any one job better than the individual tool but it will do good enough to get me out of 99.99% of situations. Sure I could get each tool individually and learn to use it extensively so I'm a pro with it in case that task ever comes along but if it starts taking time from learning to use the Leatherman or brings a moment of hesitation when normally I'd just reach for the Leatherman.... there is a downside to adding all those additional tools. Also, I didn't say I don't know how to handle myself hand to hand (and I do have momentum and Inertia on my side at my size) but I don't see paying to take a class specifically on disarming an armed bad guy as a valuable use of my time or money. You can be plenty proficient in hand to hand combat w/o knowing how to strip a firearm from an armed assailant and I think some in this thread are losing focus of that. If he's armed and I am I'm looking for an opportunity to neutralize the threat with my firearm which will do the job just as well as my bare hands... probably better. That's the only point I'm trying to make here. If you have endless resources (money and time) then go right ahead. I think we're getting a bit ahead of ourselves to say that this is critical training we must all have. It's not.Quote:
Originally Posted by TFOGGER
Ellephino.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoneyBadger
Agree to disagree I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by mcantar18c
Food for thought...Quote:
Originally Posted by Jer
http://blog.suarezinternational.com/...l#.VFPxYsnD_qA
I think we're on the same page here. I carry on a daily basis. I also have some kind of knife on my person whenever I am awake and upright. I don't think spending a lot of time(and money) on learning disarming techniques that aren't useful in other scenarios is particularly beneficial, but learning the basics of redirecting the firearm/knife/broken bottle and using leverage to neutralize it is not a bad thing. The actual tool you use to defend yourself is irrelevant. YOU are the weapon, the rest is situational.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jer
Read it & he proved my point when the author said he was a life-long martial artist obsessed w/knives. I also concluded that if I'm ever attacked in a bathroom stall (LOL) I may have a more difficult fight on my hand. Allegedly. I never said I assumed a knife attacker wouldn't know how to use the knife I merely pointed out the fact that he brought a knife to a gun fight & will surely die. The closer he is the quicker he will die. If some knife wielding ninja somehow sneaks up on me in a locked stall I'll get a few shots center mass to illicit effect & then barrel stuff his forehead if he gets close enough. There isn't much a knife can do that a gun can't other than doing it quietly. There's a WHOLE lot that a gun can do that a knife can't however.Quote:
Originally Posted by mcantar18c
I carry a knife too (two most days) but I doubt a situation will ever present itself where I reach for it as a weapon over a firearm. Seems silly to me. I carry a flashlight & could probably kill someone with it too with enough motivation but why handicap myself? If a threat presents itself my goal is to end the threat as quickly as possible. I'm not looking to match force to force to make it an epic Hollywood battle that, after 15min, I come out victorious as some kind of hero.
The toolbox analogy is something I quite like.
Practical example, if I go out to Stellenbosch (a student town just North of where I live in the Strand) and I am accosted by one or two "bergies" (vagrants), it is probably a good idea to have some proper OC on my person at the time. Most of them are unarmed, and they are generally drunk and a nuisance, so it wouldn't warrant escalating straight to deadly force. I would have to fill in paperwork with the local popo if I pull a gun on him. If the bergie pulls a knife, though, or corners me that I can't get away from him...different story, and forget the OC.
I suppose what I am trying to say, is that to me it is not about proportionality of force (never believed in it), but rather as to what is appropriate for the specific situation.
Ill just leave this here. It's a video but I cant get it to imbed
http://activeselfprotection.com/blog...rk-real-world/