RMGO membership "dues"

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Originally Posted by foxtrot

I could give a rats ass how much Holbert (or anyone else) for that matter, donates. I care what they do.
The fact that Holbert posts here is more rather demonstrative.

We will not be entertaining any more questions like that. Or in other words, stop the harassment.

If you believe "donating" money solves the 2a issues then you are very naïve. More is accomplished by people who have not "donated" but take individual action (e.g. the attorney in the Heller case, for instance). If you donate your money, ColoCCW, and get a chip on your back and think you've done your part, you are beyond naïve.

You want to know how much I've donated to NRA/RMGO/SAF/GOA this year?

I'll publicize that. Mix 8 oz of Jack with a shot of Shit.

Now that we have that out of our way, instead of attacking Holbert, why don't you attack me - if you've got the cahones.

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Thank you.

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Originally Posted by foxtrot

why don't you attack me - if you've got the cahones.

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Huh ???

Good advice. Thank you Senator for all that you do.

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Originally Posted by Irving

Sen Holbert is living proof that someone listens to Dudley. Who do you think brought him here? Everyone on the board has the ear of a senator. He probably doesn't give a hoot about your guns, but he wouldn't be here if he wasn't trying to court you/us. So he's here, throw ideas at him, he'll tell you what is possible, and occasionally he'll post about something he's doing so you can get on board and support it. This probably isn't a very common relationship opportunity. Let's not screw it up.

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Huh?

"He probably doesn't give a hoot about your guns…"? Um, no. I care about my guns and yours. The Second Amendment is our defense against tyranny and I will not compromise on that fact.

"…he wouldn't be here if he wasn't trying to court you/us"? Nope. I came here in 2012 because I enjoy teaching others about the Colorado legislative process and we (all of us) were facing the most aggressive legislative effort against the Second Amendment that has ever occurred here in Colorado.

Aside from the extensive "Effective Advocacy 101" posts that I offer at my Facebook page, I also look for opportunities to teach/speak to grassroots advocacy groups about the Colorado legislative process. One example, which occurred about the same time that I started posting here, was the January 2013 "Guns Across America" rally at the Colorado Capitol. The photo that I use here is from that rally. While you won't see me in the video, you can hear the entire speech here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0qYp9BNqpc

As for courting you, please consider that if you don't live in Colorado House District 44 (Parker and Lone Tree) or now Senate District 30 (northern and western Douglas County), then you can't vote for me. I just won my race to move from the state House to the state Senate and won't have to run for that seat for four years. I haven't and won't ask anyone here for money and you can't vote for me, at least in SD30, unless you live here four years from now.

For everyone who is following this thread, please consider the difference between the 535 voting members of Congress and the 100 members of the Colorado General Assembly. While we have little access to those who serve in our federal legislature, that is not true about those of us who serve in the state legislature. The common criticism that politicians are in it for the "money and power" rings true… until one discovers how little money and power there actually IS in the state legislature. As I mentioned before, my GROSS salary for this position is $35,000 per year. As for power, I get to introduce five bills per year and I get to vote "Yes" or "No" a lot between January and May. Otherwise, I have no power to do anything.

I'm here because I want to be here. I'm a gunnie and I love teaching about the Colorado legislative process. I spend a lot more time teaching over at Facebook, but I've tried to check in here to be of help. That's it. Nothing more complicated than that.

Ya know gang I almost stopped this crap yesterday. Come back today and it went full retard. Good, bad, right or wrong Dudley and Chris are members here. These attacks on people will stop. just because they are in the public eye does NOT mean that they are fair game. members are members and ALL will be treated by the rules.

Just like Foxtrot said: why don't you attack me - if you've got the cahones. I will leave this open for now.

He's not my rep, but deserves & gets my support. How much $$ is a moot point, when you consider he is a board member under His Own name. Willing to do that especially on a GUN Forum deserves everyone's support.

Regarding RMGO, do what you want. We're suppose to be adults here (sometimes) able to form our own opinion who to, and not to, donate money & time to.

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Originally Posted by SenHolbert

Huh?

"He probably doesn't give a hoot about your guns…"? Um, no. I care about my guns and yours. The Second Amendment is our defense against tyranny and I will not compromise on that fact.

"…he wouldn't be here if he wasn't trying to court you/us"? Nope. I came here in 2012 because I enjoy teaching others about the Colorado legislative process and we (all of us) were facing the most aggressive legislative effort against the Second Amendment that has ever occurred here in Colorado.

Aside from the extensive "Effective Advocacy 101" posts that I offer at my Facebook page, I also look for opportunities to teach/speak to grassroots advocacy groups about the Colorado legislative process. One example, which occurred about the same time that I started posting here, was the January 2013 "Guns Across America" rally at the Colorado Capitol. The photo that I use here is from that rally. While you won't see me in the video, you can hear the entire speech here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0qYp9BNqpc

As for courting you, please consider that if you don't live in Colorado House District 44 (Parker and Lone Tree) or now Senate District 30 (northern and western Douglas County), then you can't vote for me. I just won my race to move from the state House to the state Senate and won't have to run for that seat for four years. I haven't and won't ask anyone here for money and you can't vote for me, at least in SD30, unless you live here four years from now.

For everyone who is following this thread, please consider the difference between the 535 voting members of Congress and the 100 members of the Colorado General Assembly. While we have little access to those who serve in our federal legislature, that is not true about those of us who serve in the state legislature. The common criticism that politicians are in it for the "money and power" rings true… until one discovers how little money and power there actually IS in the state legislature. As I mentioned before, my GROSS salary for this position is $35,000 per year. As for power, I get to introduce five bills per year and I get to vote "Yes" or "No" a lot between January and May. Otherwise, I have no power to do anything.

I'm here because I want to be here. I'm a gunnie and I love teaching about the Colorado legislative process. I spend a lot more time teaching over at Facebook, but I've tried to check in here to be of help. That's it. Nothing more complicated than that.

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Don't take my post as an attack on you, because it wasn't.

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Originally Posted by foxtrot

I could give a rats ass how much Holbert (or anyone else) for that matter, donates. I care what they do.
The fact that Holbert posts here is more rather demonstrative.

We will not be entertaining any more questions like that. Or in other words, stop the harassment.

If you believe "donating" money solves the 2a issues then you are very naïve. More is accomplished by people who have not "donated" but take individual action (e.g. the attorney in the Heller case, for instance). If you donate your money, ColoCCW, and get a chip on your back and think you've done your part, you are beyond naïve.

You want to know how much I've donated to NRA/RMGO/SAF/GOA this year?

I'll publicize that. Mix 8 oz of Jack with a shot of Shit.

Now that we have that out of our way, instead of attacking Holbert, why don't you attack me - if you've got the cahones.

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1. My point was to show that even the senator refuses to donate to RMGO with his own money. Why should anyone else?
2. I don't give shit to Dudley. Never have and never will. I saw through his BS immediately and refuse to fund his personal account.
3. If you have something personal with me, I'll pm you my address and we can discuss as you see fit.
4. You're "court certified expert firearms witness" bullshit & as a mod on this site should be able to understand this: you are in violation of the following:

Under the full site Terms & Conditions, Prohibited Content includes, but is not limited to Content that, in the sole discretion of Colorado AR-15 Shooters :

• Is patently offensive and promotes racism, bigotry, hatred or physical harm of any kind against any group or individual;
• Harasses or advocates harassment of another person;

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Originally Posted by SenHolbert

Huh?

"He probably doesn't give a hoot about your guns…"? Um, no. I care about my guns and yours. The Second Amendment is our defense against tyranny and I will not compromise on that fact.

"…he wouldn't be here if he wasn't trying to court you/us"? Nope. I came here in 2012 because I enjoy teaching others about the Colorado legislative process and we (all of us) were facing the most aggressive legislative effort against the Second Amendment that has ever occurred here in Colorado.

Aside from the extensive "Effective Advocacy 101" posts that I offer at my Facebook page, I also look for opportunities to teach/speak to grassroots advocacy groups about the Colorado legislative process. One example, which occurred about the same time that I started posting here, was the January 2013 "Guns Across America" rally at the Colorado Capitol. The photo that I use here is from that rally. While you won't see me in the video, you can hear the entire speech here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0qYp9BNqpc

As for courting you, please consider that if you don't live in Colorado House District 44 (Parker and Lone Tree) or now Senate District 30 (northern and western Douglas County), then you can't vote for me. I just won my race to move from the state House to the state Senate and won't have to run for that seat for four years. I haven't and won't ask anyone here for money and you can't vote for me, at least in SD30, unless you live here four years from now.

For everyone who is following this thread, please consider the difference between the 535 voting members of Congress and the 100 members of the Colorado General Assembly. While we have little access to those who serve in our federal legislature, that is not true about those of us who serve in the state legislature. The common criticism that politicians are in it for the "money and power" rings true… until one discovers how little money and power there actually IS in the state legislature. As I mentioned before, my GROSS salary for this position is $35,000 per year. As for power, I get to introduce five bills per year and I get to vote "Yes" or "No" a lot between January and May. Otherwise, I have no power to do anything.

I'm here because I want to be here. I'm a gunnie and I love teaching about the Colorado legislative process. I spend a lot more time teaching over at Facebook, but I've tried to check in here to be of help. That's it. Nothing more complicated than that.

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Senator,

Again, I was illustrating that if you're not willing to eat ramen noodle for a week to support RMGO, then why should anyone else? I don't care how much you donate but by you NOT donating implies a fair weather attitude if you are encouraging others to do that. You can't support something only in part. By stating:

"There is no lifetime pension for me. There is no travel budget. There is no office budget. There is no super healthcare plan as there is in Congress. We are prohibited from voting on any measure that would offer financial gain for the member or a member or our immediate family. This is not Congress."

and your measly $35K part time gig does nothing but separate you further from people who bleed everyday for less money than that (or any of the benefits you mentioned either). If RMGO is such a worthwhile organization, then prove to us why, because Dudley can't. Other than that, thank you for contributing and keeping our knowledge on the legislative process up to par.

Senator Holbert,

I would first like to thank you for taking some of your limited time to be a member of this site; OUR site. You've got a lot on your plate so taking time for us means a lot.

Next, I want to apologize on behalf of this site, for the manner in which you've been treated. You, and in fact every member here, deserves better. I hope and expect our membership to behave better in the future.

I would ask that, as time permits, you continue to post here with insight into what our state government is doing for or against us. Additionally, please let us know what we can do to help ourselves.