Controversial prom photo from Parker Colorado involving guns

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Originally Posted by hurley842002

to be honest, I'm not real fond of most folks who associate themselves with rebel flags and the like. With that said, I believe it's their right to take a pic with the flag.

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I'm not really fond of it either, but I agree.

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Originally Posted by KestrelBike

I'd have assumed they were trolling.

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This as well. In spades.

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Originally Posted by KAPA

Growing up in the south, this flag was a source of southern pride. I remember black families having the flag proudly displyed in front of their house. To most people who live in the south this flag was just that, southern pride.. Today, anywhere outside of the South this flag means something completely different that others don't understand.

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I'm not from the South, but I did live in Charleston, SC. There is a time and place for everything. Historical events and places? ALL day. Re-enactments? Absolutely. In your garage? Whatever.
Granted, I grew up in the Great Lakes / Midwest and that was still "yankee" to some down there, but honestly a lot of it is Southern Pride, but a lot is trolling / anti-PC / get a rise / and as others have said, similar to the Gadsden. As you point out, in some circles, it clearly isn't a race thing at all.

I'm just fine with acknowledging it as history and the use in appropriate places. In that sense, not taboo at all.
Having said all that, I don't think it is "too PC" (or our country's downfall, or too thin skinned) to discourage the use just for the sake of trolling those who truly do feel it is a symbol of racial oppression or that sort of thing. It that sense, very taboo and I'd strongly discourage my kids from this sort of thing.

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Originally Posted by ZERO THEORY

I'm always curious at people with Confederate accoutrements. More often than not, they don't hail from states that were a part of the former Confederacy. But I have a Gadsden flag, so I can't really hold that above them. However, even if they are from the former Confederate states, they were born so long after its dismantiling that it doesn't really seem to mean anything. Colonial flags, Gadsden flags, and the like represent an institution whose evolution we're all a part of. The Confederacy, like the Nazi party, is a dead institution whose flags and memorobilia don't really mean anything. What exactly are their proponents trying to represent with them?

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I disagree with the part that's in bold. And I don't think you can accurately state that most people have on connection to a former Confederate state. You have no way of knowing that. While some people may have co-opted the Confederate flag without it being a part of their personal family history, the Confederacy is a part of our national history, like it or not. Would you be willing to substitute "slavery" for "Confederacy" in the statements you made above? After all, anyone alive in the US today was born long after slavery was outlawed so that it really shouldn't mean anything to them, should it?

I happen to be from the south and I'm very proud of my Confederate heritage. Having said that, I don't own a Confederate flag or anything with that flag on it and I never have.

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Originally Posted by theGinsue

People get too bend out of shape over minor, inconsequencial, meaningless stuff.

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+1,000,000

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Originally Posted by KAPA

Growing up in the south, this flag was a source of southern pride. I remember black families having the flag proudly displyed in front of their house. To most people who live in the south this flag was just that, southern pride.. Today, anywhere outside of the South this flag means something completely different that others don't understand.

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Growing up in Alabama and Texas, that's been my experience as well. Few people who aren't from the south seem to know exactly everything about what that flag DOESN'T represent. The entire meaning of the "rebel" flag has been bastardized by the left.

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Originally Posted by theGinsue

States rights, not slavery, was the issue that precipitated the Civil War. Unfortunately, most people don't understand this fact and have bought the progressive stance on this hook, lines & sinker. Yes, most of the Southern (Confederate) States were in favor of slavery, but that was not the cause/point of the war against the Union. Because of this, the prevailing opinion today is that the Confederate flag stands for a pro-slavery belief. This just isn't accurate. In fact, the real concepts behind the Confederate and Gadsden flags are very similar. But, acknowledging that fact doesn't advance the progressives agenda.

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You would be surprised how few people understand this. Whenever I explain it to people, they usually reply with, "Yeah, states' rights...to own slaves."

At that point I usually just tell them to look into the economic and military ramifications of annexation and then drop the subject.

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Originally Posted by Bailey Guns

Would you be willing to substitute "slavery" for "Confederacy" in the statements you made above? After all, anyone alive in the US today was born long after slavery was outlawed so that it really shouldn't mean anything to them, should it?
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No. But that's because my point has nothing to do with slavery or racism or whatever other conotations people (often inaccurately) make with the Confederate flag. My point is that it's like an Austrian kid born in 1996 flying a Czechoslovakian flag.

Honest question, would you equate this with kids of Hispanic descent waving the Mexican flag, when they've never even been to Mexico? That's the impression I get.

So going to a hockey game and chanting CSA, CSA, CSA... probably won't make much sense to the rest of the crowd?


I like the first Ten Amendments to the US Constitution. Some of us would say the framers saved the best amendment for last in the Bill of Rights. [Flower]

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Originally Posted by Irving

Honest question, would you equate this with kids of Hispanic descent waving the Mexican flag, when they've never even been to Mexico? That's the impression I get.

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Good question.

Damn Yankee's, go home Rebel Haters.

Some might think we're getting to the point a more modern version of the rebel flag would be appropriate and for the same reasons as the original.