Holy WTF?!? Florida caretaker shot by officer

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Originally Posted by davsel

Most of us wait for the facts to come out before finding a man guilty and locking him up.
Most of us don't condemn the entire police force based on the actions of few.

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That is not true generally. If that was anyone other than a police officer they would be in the county lockup awaiting trial for the facts to come out. It looks like a seriously bad shoot. Maybe I'm wrong, but I would not get the benefit of the doubt until I got to court if then.

I didn't condemn any entire group, simply stated that this type of preferential treatment reflects poorly on the profession in the eyes of many. It gives good cops a bad name and ammunition to people like BLM. If police in this country feel like they are getting a bad reputation, no one can change it but themselves through positive interactions with the public.

There should be protests and a dialogue when these sorts of incidents happen, but saner people should take lead and have better and realistic goals about how and what to change. I believe that the higher-ups in the departments should also take a proactive role in these sorts of cases and be more of an arbitrator between the police force and the public. It seems like no one these days wants any change for the better.

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Originally Posted by COcz

That is not true generally. If that was anyone other than a police officer they would be in the county lockup awaiting trial for the facts to come out. It looks like a seriously bad shoot. Maybe I'm wrong, but I would not get the benefit of the doubt until I got to court if then.

I didn't condemn any entire group, simply stated that this type of preferential treatment reflects poorly on the profession in the eyes of many. It gives good cops a bad name and ammunition to people like BLM. If police in this country feel like they are getting a bad reputation, no one can change it but themselves through positive interactions with the public.

There should be protests and a dialogue when these sorts of incidents happen, but saner people should take lead and have better and realistic goals about how and what to change. I believe that the higher-ups in the departments should also take a proactive role in these sorts of cases and be more of an arbitrator between the police force and the public. It seems like no one these days wants any change for the better.

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The only reason to lock someone up before a trial is to ensure they show up for the trial. It is not a punishment. I am not aware of any police officers who have skipped out on a trial after a questionable shoot.

Police have countless "positive interactions with the public" that go unreported and unnoticed every single day.

I can't count the number of times "higher-ups in the department" appear before the press to act as "an arbitrator between the police force and the public."

I have no idea where you are coming from with this nonsense.

I suggest you apply with your local PD to take a ride-along. You may come back with a different perspective of what the police are up against every day.

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Originally Posted by davsel

The only reason to lock someone up before a trial is to ensure they show up for the trial. It is not a punishment. I am not aware of any police officers who have skipped out on a trial after a questionable shoot.

Police have countless "positive interactions with the public" that go unreported and unnoticed every single day.

I can't count the number of times "higher-ups in the department" appear before the press to act as "an arbitrator between the police force and the public."

I have no idea where you are coming from with this nonsense.

I suggest you apply with your local PD to take a ride-along. You may come back with a different perspective of what the police are up against every day.

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So what the fuck is the reason to handcuff a wounded, innocent man that you just shot "by mistake, oops - my bad", that's laying in the street bleeding and in pain, who's been totally compliant the whole time? Didn't do shit, still took a bullet and narrowly missed by two others, but still gets handcuffed like HE'S the criminal? Why, because he's black? That's fucked up.

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I thought it had to be an accident/negligence until the cuff part.
This video looks 10^99 times worse than MN and LA.

Missed from 50 yards with an AR?

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Police raced to Northeast 127th Street and 14th Avenue after receiving a 911 call saying there was a man in the roadway with a gun who was going to kill himself. When they got there, they found the man sitting on the ground with his truck and Kinsey, who was trying to coax the man back inside the nearby mental health center, MacTown Panther Group Home.
When police barked orders for the two to lie down with their hands up, Kinsey complied.
“Mr. Kinsey did everything right,” Rivera said.
The autistic man ignored the orders of police yelling for the men to lie down. Some of the officers were behind poles on the street. Others were behind their patrol vehicles.
Then, while Kinsey was lying supine with his hands in the air and the autistic man sat beside him, an officer fired three rounds from an assault rifle, according to North Miami police. One bullet found a target — Kinsey.
He was shot in the leg and transported to Jackson Memorial Hospital, where he continues to recover. Kinsey is expected to be released this week.
According to a law-enforcement source, the officer who shot Kinsey was taking cover behind a squad car and fired from at least 50 yards away. He shot after another officer, in a radio transmission, suggested the autistic man was loading his weapon, which turned out to be the toy truck, the source said.

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http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/bul...QMF?li=BBnb7Kz

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Originally Posted by davsel

Most of us wait for the facts to come out before finding a man guilty and locking him up.
Most of us don't condemn the entire police force based on the actions of few.

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This. There is that whole innocent until proven guilty thing as well. I'm not siding with this officer or anyone in this video right now. Obviously, more facts are needed. But this doesn't look good in any capacity.

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Originally Posted by rondog

So what the fuck is the reason to handcuff a wounded, innocent man that you just shot "by mistake, oops - my bad", that's laying in the street bleeding and in pain, who's been totally compliant the whole time? Didn't do shit, still took a bullet and narrowly missed by two others, but still gets handcuffed like HE'S the criminal? Why, because he's black? That's fucked up.

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I wouldn't go out and say it's because he's black. I've been stopped by cops a few times in my life in a car and on foot and even though I was doing nothing wrong I was placed in handcuffs every time and yelled at even though I complied with everything that they told me to do. I'm convinced that the mentality of at least the officers that I've had encounters with is that if your not a cop than your a criminal to a certain extent. Maybe I'm uninformed, but putting someone in handcuffs for "Your and my protection is a bunch of shit." I was put in cuffs and the back of a squad car because I parked and was walking into a mall at Christmas time and I was on the phone talking to someone. Apparently I looked like someone who was casing cars for a robber. I was asked what I was doing and said going inside the mall to shop. Was then searched and cuffed and put in the back of the car while they worked things out. After they decided to release me I was threatened that they had my address and would come "raid my house" if anything came up missing. I'm just some ordinary guy going to the mall. To me this is the problem. I see most cops as bullies because that's how most of them carry themselves. The whole the law doesn't apply to us and to politicians etc I believe is why so many people are upset. I read an article the other day that here in Minneapolis the city has paid out on over 300 settlements for police problems and nobody on the force has ever been disciplined for any of these incidents. The fact that by in large people on the police force covers for one another also contributes to the problem. Police forces I believe have to be better at weeding out officers that are not doing the right things but to say that this guy got shout because he's black is just foolish.

They never identified a weapon but were taking cover behind their cars and poles 50 yards away?

One officer said he was loading his weapon?

What a bunch of sensational, scared men that responded to that call. A serious lack of professionalism there.

If this was a bad shoot, as it aappears to be, then the officcer should be punished.

We were not there, so quaterbacking is easy. No one is perfect, everyone makes mistakes, even police officers, who actually are humans. They have famillies and lives outside of the job.

When shots are fired, it can rattle everyone on the scene. If it had just come over the radio that he was loading a gun, shots were fired and the other person hit, how do you know an officer from a different angle of view didn't see Mr. Kinsey with a gun. The officers, not the shooting officer, put him in handcuffs thinking he may have had a gun, and that is why he was shot.

I recall a fw years ago seeing a video of an officer involved shooting that showed an "unarmed" man being shot. From the front, he had one hand above his head, the other was out of view behind him. An officer came up from behind and shot him. The officer behind had a camera showing the suspect drawing a pistol.

As for the twenty minutes to get him medical attention, what was he response time of the med unit? After sortig out the scene and realozkng an innocent may have been shot, 3-4 minutes, called for bus, 1-2 minutes to dispatch, traffic, getting trough all the police that park their cars in the way, I can see it takig 10-20 minutes to get there.

It is really interesting to see how people who have never been on scenes can tell people who work the LEO job every day how they should act. I am not an LEO.

Why can't wait staff get the orders right every time?
Why can't computer programmers write programs without bugs in them?
Why can't doctors not kill their patients?
Why can't people drive and obey traffic laws?

Everyone makes mistakes. The guilty should be punished

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Originally Posted by Fmedges

I wouldn't go out and say it's because he's black. I've been stopped by cops a few times in my life in a car and on foot and even though I was doing nothing wrong I was placed in handcuffs every time and yelled at even though I complied with everything that they told me to do. I'm convinced that the mentality of at least the officers that I've had encounters with is that if your not a cop than your a criminal to a certain extent. Maybe I'm uninformed, but putting someone in handcuffs for "Your and my protection is a bunch of shit." I was put in cuffs and the back of a squad car because I parked and was walking into a mall at Christmas time and I was on the phone talking to someone. Apparently I looked like someone who was casing cars for a robber. I was asked what I was doing and said going inside the mall to shop. Was then searched and cuffed and put in the back of the car while they worked things out. After they decided to release me I was threatened that they had my address and would come "raid my house" if anything came up missing. I'm just some ordinary guy going to the mall. To me this is the problem. I see most cops as bullies because that's how most of them carry themselves. The whole the law doesn't apply to us and to politicians etc I believe is why so many people are upset. I read an article the other day that here in Minneapolis the city has paid out on over 300 settlements for police problems and nobody on the force has ever been disciplined for any of these incidents. The fact that by in large people on the police force covers for one another also contributes to the problem. Police forces I believe have to be better at weeding out officers that are not doing the right things but to say that this guy got shout because he's black is just foolish.

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I sure hope you filed a complaint with the Internal Affairs Bureau of that department and screamed bloody hell loud about your treatment. I would've also contacted every news outlet in the city as well and probably stood outside the hq with a sign stating the threats. That is total bs.

I'm still waiting to hear how in the hell this shoot can be justified. Oh wait, perhaps it isn't. Also while I'm sick and tired of lawsuits this shooting is definitely worthy, at the least the officer should be suspended and charged. It's not about money, it's about accountability and correcting bad/illegal behavior.