Bear Creek Arsenal (BCA) Raided by ICE

Budget AR-15s? Harbor Freight.
Quality AR-15s? The Old Craftsman, Snap On.

GunSmith Once Over:

Head Space.
Components look over.
Barrel nut torqued, gas block aligned, barrel dimpled properly.
Flash Hider Torqued and aligned.
All bolts/screws get loctite/vibratight and torqued to spec.
Receiver Extension plumb and installed correctly.
Castle Nut staked.
Flat Wire buffer spring.
H-2 Buffer.
Improved trigger installed. (ALG, Geissele, BCM PNT)



No ones saying people who choose to not save and buy quality rifles are lesser humans, or whatever it is that people are getting upset about in this thread. Just that there is a difference between budget, and quality. The best man made products are still made by man. That does NOT mean that Budget brand A = Quality Brand Z because humans are involved.

And yes some people are perfectly happy with what they have invested in and see no reason to change, or educate themselves on how an AR-15 is actually manufactured.

I will end with this, If you or a loved one were in a hostage situation and HRT had to enter the room to save your sorry butt, what would you want them to be using? Would it be your rifle at home? Thankfully/hopefully none of us will ever be in that situation. But if you are forced to use YOUR tools to save yourself, (why do we own these things anyway?), will you thinking about all that beer money you saved on that just as good as $299 AR and budget optic?


For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭2:5‬ ‭

When I built my first SBR, I did the same as you. I picked Tier 1 components and paid through the nose. I got the best of the best of the best. I trust that rifle with my life and it has proven to me that it can do anything I ask of it. I chose a BCM 11.5? for this build. I opted for a Seekins billet lower but the damn pins kept walking out. Not to the point of falling out but enough that every hundred rounds or so, they would poke out a 1/8-1/4 inch. I tried the pins in an Aero lower with no issues. I ended up just buying some KNS anti walks and never had an issue again.

Years down the road, I bought a blem PSA complete upper for $169. When I received it, I looked for the blem and it was clearly visible, right between the rail and dust cover. I pulled out my SBR with the BCM upper to compare and guess what? It had the same exact blem, in the same exact spot. To add to it, both uppers had the same roll mark but one had BCM etched on it. I was kind of shocked that I paid BCM $550+ for a complete upper (that didn?t include a rail or handguard) and paid $169 for a complete PSA upper with a standard handguard. One company acknowledged the blem, the other did not. Who has the better QC?

Here is the BCM upper that I bought in 2011. It might be hard to see but look between the rail and shell deflector:
https://i.postimg.cc/HLwJ0Kbs/1-C0-D...FA0788-E31.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/cJygnZgb/394-B1...020-AF7479.jpg

I went out to the safe to snap those pictures tonight and pulled out the two BCM uppers that I have, along with a PSA upper I bought a few weeks ago. All three of them has the same roll mark on the upper.
https://i.postimg.cc/KjBvF3Qc/A9-E5-...-FD0-B58-D.jpg

Top is the BCM (obviously), bottom PSA.
https://i.postimg.cc/bYtv148X/723-F0...0-AB558-C8.jpg

Not to say you don?t always get what you pay for, but there is plenty of deals out there to had. Ruger as well all know has made quality firearms for years but their recent MPR rifles have had a lot of problems right out of the box. Buy whatever you can afford and run the hell out of it until you trust it. I?m happy with all of my budget builds and my expensive ones too.

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Originally Posted by Joe_K

No. BCA is not known [LOL] ‭

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Every company turns out lemons. Whether they step up to make it right. That determines how long a business last.

So bottom line is You HEARD about, BUT..........................NEVER actually owned a BCA. Yet outside of the ICE issue. Run down a product you really only know about 2nd hand. [facepalm]





Then again, i will never own a VW based on my former neighbors issues, with her 72 Karmen Ghia. Her ex told me about.

Seems like if your rig is competition worthy, then it's fine for whatever else.

Hell this guy in Nairobi didn?t seem to have any issues running a ?budget? Sig Romeo which rumor has it are rebadged Holosuns.

https://i.postimg.cc/nr9fBXW8/77-E42...-D2-A123-B.jpg

I can trust even my crappiest rifle to fire enough rounds to protect myself or my family. Would I take it to war or have it be my only weapon in a total end of world scenario? Probably not.

Most shooters (myself included) won?t shoot enough rounds in their lifetime to wear out a rifle.

I have seen cheap rifles beak unexpectedly. I?ve seen broken cam pins on two ocassions and I once saw a bolt break in half at the cam pin hole. I won?t skimp on bolt carrier groups for this reason and run BCM in just about all of my rifles.

Barrels are one area that I won?t spend a ton of money on. Assuming they headspace correctly and the gas port is sized right and the accuracy is acceptable, I?m good to go. If I manage to put enough rounds through it that headspace or accuracy is no longer acceptable then I?ll spend another $80-$100 and toss a new barrel on.

I think I have met a gunsmith or 2. Never has one of them "once over" my firearms.

I mean, I could take a couple in to get the barrels threaded, but that's not totally necessary.

What it boils down to is that if they were hiring illegals, then that means they are Goddamned liberals and you're sending them your money.

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Originally Posted by Irving

What it boils down to is that if they were hiring illegals, then that means they are Goddamned liberals and you're sending them your money.

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So.... just build the wall around BCA?

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Originally Posted by Great-Kazoo

Every company turns out lemons. Whether they step up to make it right. That determines how long a business last.

So bottom line is You HEARD about, BUT..........................NEVER actually owned a BCA. Yet outside of the ICE issue. Run down a product you really only know about 2nd hand. [facepalm]





Then again, i will never own a VW based on my former neighbors issues, with her 72 Karmen Ghia. Her ex told me about.

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I have never been married to Nancy Pelosi either, but I know that she is not wife material.

Choosing to not own something because of a lack of a reputation for quality, then pointing out there is no way they are not cutting corners after evidence is presented pointing towards them cutting corners is the angle I am working right now.

People who have spent a little bit of cash and own several of them, like yourself, have more skin in the game to defend them as a brand than I do. Im guessing you probably do not own stock in, or personally know the owners of BCA, why are you trying to prove that they are NOT trash?

Can you explain to me why a Pistol length gas system would be a good idea on a 14.5 inch 5.56 rifle barrel?


For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭2:5‬ ‭