Weapons stolen...uhmm "lawfully seized" by DPD

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Originally Posted by CS1983

Because if there was a large group, the law is unlikely to be enforced (as in other instances). The fact remains, they didn’t open carry and didn’t intend to do so. So I don’t really know what point you’re trying to make.

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The point is that they put themselves into that situation to rub City & County of Denver's nose in it. I have no idea how you come to the conclusion that they "didn't intend to do so" because they admitted otherwise. If they wanted to protest open carry in Denver, they picked a really bad time to do it. There may not be any charges pressed, but see BP's post above.

Can?t they report the weapons stolen to another government agency (Federal).

So if you are shot and killed in the street by a uniformed member of the United States military, that isn't martial law?

And the Denver confiscation practices are pretty unconstitutional, so you have to fight that in federal court.

And some members say I don't know shit about the law, but I sued the .gov and won over a million dollars. And it was a pro se case....I represented myself!

So many questions on here that could be answered by doing a little digging. I couldn?t sleep Friday night and wound up watching some live feeds of protests / riots / whatever else is going on. I can tell you that the live feed footage that?s been available online paints a much different story than what the Left and Right side of the msm are spewing, and also contradicts a lot of what LEO community publishers are putting out online.

If you want the lowdown on what happened regarding this guy in Denver who?s guns were ?liberated? by the police, then look for the live feed of ?notchevymcghee? on Facebook. I?m pretty positive it?s the same guys feed I stumbled across and watched.

On another note, I watched video this morning of two separate instances (in the same department) of police officers firing tear gas canisters out of launchers...
at nonviolent people...
literally from feet away...
Maybe 6 feet in one instance....
Maybe 10 feet in the other...
At their fucking faces.

Intentional gas canister head shots to nonviolent ?citizens?

I?m disgusted.

edited to try to correct screenname for the live feed mentioned.

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Originally Posted by BushMasterBoy

So if you are shot and killed in the street by a uniformed member of the United States military, that isn't martial law?

And the Denver confiscation practices are pretty unconstitutional, so you have to fight that in federal court.

And some members say I don't know shit about the law, but I sued the .gov and won over a million dollars. And it was a pro se case....I represented myself!

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No, that doesn't equate to martial law. It's either justified use of force or murder depending on what you were doing/not doing when you were shot. The definition of martial law isn't being kept a secret, dude. Look it up. It's pretty clear and it's been explained to you several times now.

Also, any court can find a law unconstitutional within it's jurisdiction. Ultimately, the state supreme court has final jurisdiction over state constitutional issues and SCOTUS does over national constitutional issues. Any lawsuit over this would not have to originate in federal court.

Congrats on winning your case. Now use some of that money and buy some Google so you can learn what martial law is.

From a perspective of someone who was in the business of identifying threats and dealing with them, the info Chicknorris posted says way more than the news story. FBI /JTTF/ et al get's a tip that Bubba McDumbass (Bunn) is making pipe bombs. So they start looking into his background and find he's affiliated with a group on the internet calling themselves "boogaloo Bois" and get a little concerned McDumbass is the tip of the iceberg. They ID all the other McDumbasses and run across McGee McDumbass is planning on trying to start an open carry group at the rally. So that do they have now? They really don't know, but they do know they have white dudes making pipe bombs and talking about kitting up and open carrying at a protest predominately by black people. So when "Mr 20 year old living with mom boogaloo boi lets all wear out kits to the black panther party with my McDumbass buddies who were making pipe bombs" shows up to the rally, ya... He got identified and then tracked and then when he went to his car, they rode up hard on him. Then I guarantee you the asked if he would consent to a search and he said, "ya, Im legal. Search away." So they popped the trunk and found all that gear in there and immediately went into "oh fuck" mode. He got handled and cuffed and they seized everything. Threat neutralized.

Now, I bet you McGee Mcdumbass is all butt-hurt because he lost his real live cos-play gear and DPD didn't just politely give it back. Fuck.... You don't think they aren't still digging and scratching to see if these complete retards are or are not potential dangerous? Yep. They are. He isn't going to get is shit back till they're done until JTTF is done figuring of they are stupid people doing stupid things stupidly or if they really have an issue they need to address here.

So, McDumbass cos-playing boogaloo-boi needs to go get himself a job so he can pay for a lawyer to notify DPD with intent to sue for illegal seizure, ORRRRRRR he can politely ask DPD how to get his possessions back, ORRRRRRR he can STFU and stop crying like a bitch to who ever will listen to him.

Here's the deal. This fucking idiot isn't a victim. He was an identified potential threat. Just because the FBI, JTTF, DPD didn't release all the info doesn't mean that what is on face now is all that's going on. I personally wouldn't have allowed any official story on what was seized and pictures taken if this was in my control when I was a Fed. Too many people want to cry for poor Mr Mcdumbass and there is probably more idiots in this group getting vetted. McVeigh and his cohorts when they blew up the building in Oklahoma City probably looked very much like this group. Not to even mention how much the media, social internet pages, and videos instigated the Columbine shooting. So, I would recommend stop shedding tears for this moron. He can get a lawyer and get his shit back. Maybe he learned a lesson, maybe not.

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Originally Posted by Bailey Guns

No, that doesn't equate to martial law. It's either justified use of force or murder depending on what you were doing/not doing when you were shot. The definition of martial law isn't being kept a secret, dude. Look it up. It's pretty clear and it's been explained to you several times now.

Also, any court can find a law unconstitutional within it's jurisdiction. Ultimately, the state supreme court has final jurisdiction over state constitutional issues and SCOTUS does over national constitutional issues. Any lawsuit over this would not have to originate in federal court.

Congrats on winning your case. Now use some of that money and buy some Google so you can learn what martial law is.

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Originally Posted by SA Friday

From a perspective of someone who was in the business of identifying threats and dealing with them, the info Chicknorris posted says way more than the news story. FBI /JTTF/ et al get's a tip that Bubba McDumbass (Bunn) is making pipe bombs. So they start looking into his background and find he's affiliated with a group on the internet calling themselves "boogaloo Bois" and get a little concerned McDumbass is the tip of the iceberg. They ID all the other McDumbasses and run across McGee McDumbass is planning on trying to start an open carry group at the rally. So that do they have now? They really don't know, but they do know they have white dudes making pipe bombs and talking about kitting up and open carrying at a protest predominately by black people. So when "Mr 20 year old living with mom boogaloo boi lets all wear out kits to the black panther party with my McDumbass buddies who were making pipe bombs" shows up to the rally, ya... He got identified and then tracked and then when he went to his car, they rode up hard on him. Then I guarantee you the asked if he would consent to a search and he said, "ya, Im legal. Search away." So they popped the trunk and found all that gear in there and immediately went into "oh fuck" mode. He got handled and cuffed and they seized everything. Threat neutralized.

Now, I bet you McGee Mcdumbass is all butt-hurt because he lost his real live cos-play gear and DPD didn't just politely give it back. Fuck.... You don't think they aren't still digging and scratching to see if these complete retards are or are not potential dangerous? Yep. They are. He isn't going to get is shit back till they're done until JTTF is done figuring of they are stupid people doing stupid things stupidly or if they really have an issue they need to address here.

So, McDumbass cos-playing boogaloo-boi needs to go get himself a job so he can pay for a lawyer to notify DPD with intent to sue for illegal seizure, ORRRRRRR he can politely ask DPD how to get his possessions back, ORRRRRRR he can STFU and stop crying like a bitch to who ever will listen to him.

Here's the deal. This fucking idiot isn't a victim. He was an identified potential threat. Just because the FBI, JTTF, DPD didn't release all the info doesn't mean that what is on face now is all that's going on. I personally wouldn't have allowed any official story on what was seized and pictures taken if this was in my control when I was a Fed. Too many people want to cry for poor Mr Mcdumbass and there is probably more idiots in this group getting vetted. McVeigh and his cohorts when they blew up the building in Oklahoma City probably looked very much like this group. Not to even mention how much the media, social internet pages, and videos instigated the Columbine shooting. So, I would recommend stop shedding tears for this moron. He can get a lawyer and get his shit back. Maybe he learned a lesson, maybe not.

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I had my suspicions that there was much, much more to the story.
Thanks SA

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Originally Posted by SA Friday

From a perspective of someone who was in the business of identifying threats and dealing with them, the info Chicknorris posted says way more than the news story. FBI /JTTF/ et al get's a tip that Bubba McDumbass (Bunn) is making pipe bombs. So they start looking into his background and find he's affiliated with a group on the internet calling themselves "boogaloo Bois" and get a little concerned McDumbass is the tip of the iceberg. They ID all the other McDumbasses and run across McGee McDumbass is planning on trying to start an open carry group at the rally. So that do they have now? They really don't know, but they do know they have white dudes making pipe bombs and talking about kitting up and open carrying at a protest predominately by black people. So when "Mr 20 year old living with mom boogaloo boi lets all wear out kits to the black panther party with my McDumbass buddies who were making pipe bombs" shows up to the rally, ya... He got identified and then tracked and then when he went to his car, they rode up hard on him. Then I guarantee you the asked if he would consent to a search and he said, "ya, Im legal. Search away." So they popped the trunk and found all that gear in there and immediately went into "oh fuck" mode. He got handled and cuffed and they seized everything. Threat neutralized.

Now, I bet you McGee Mcdumbass is all butt-hurt because he lost his real live cos-play gear and DPD didn't just politely give it back. Fuck.... You don't think they aren't still digging and scratching to see if these complete retards are or are not potential dangerous? Yep. They are. He isn't going to get is shit back till they're done until JTTF is done figuring of they are stupid people doing stupid things stupidly or if they really have an issue they need to address here.

So, McDumbass cos-playing boogaloo-boi needs to go get himself a job so he can pay for a lawyer to notify DPD with intent to sue for illegal seizure, ORRRRRRR he can politely ask DPD how to get his possessions back, ORRRRRRR he can STFU and stop crying like a bitch to who ever will listen to him.

Here's the deal. This fucking idiot isn't a victim. He was an identified potential threat. Just because the FBI, JTTF, DPD didn't release all the info doesn't mean that what is on face now is all that's going on. I personally wouldn't have allowed any official story on what was seized and pictures taken if this was in my control when I was a Fed. Too many people want to cry for poor Mr Mcdumbass and there is probably more idiots in this group getting vetted. McVeigh and his cohorts when they blew up the building in Oklahoma City probably looked very much like this group. Not to even mention how much the media, social internet pages, and videos instigated the Columbine shooting. So, I would recommend stop shedding tears for this moron. He can get a lawyer and get his shit back. Maybe he learned a lesson, maybe not.

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Then charge it or publicize it. If he's enough of a threat that you have to seize his legally owned property, he's enough of a threat that maybe he shouldn't be walking around right now, and I can't imagine those are the only weapons he has access to. If he's not a threat worth detaining/charging, then yeah, don't take/hold his shit. I agree with your bit about the guy being a boogaloo cosplayer guy as are many we've seen so far, and I'd happily call someone naive at best bring that shit, and fuck I don't even have a huge issue with DPD detaining them long enough to figure out what's going on given the circumstances, but charge it or give it back. I don't think there's too many people right now who are inclined to agree with the argument that the feds/police have something they're just not sharing, therefore it's cool and we should just trust them.

Unless he has an imminent threat and no other weapons, he can afford to wait a reasonable amount of time while they pursue the investigation. If it drags on for months then make some noise and waves but it hasn't been that long. It wouldn't surprise me if Denver purposely drug out the investigation but complain when there's evidence of that -- the guy presented a profile that triggered reasonable alerts, let it play out for now.