Bill Of Sale

I said this prviewsly, and I will say it again.

Buyer/Seller already got the name+city+phone number+ email address on an forum PM and/or email for multiple communications prior to sale.
Oh yeah.... buyer/seller also tells you about their vehicle description too.

Sure, Bill of Sale maybe needed for some transction as a buyer and/or seller.

So in a private transaction, one can legally sell a gun to anyone else without checking any ID ? That sounds good if you believe that all unqualified buyers are honest and will not own a gun illegally. The problem with this premise is that most unqualified gun buyers are disqualified because they can not be trusted.

I think that it is reasonable for my own conscience as well as protection against potential civil liabilities to ask to see DL and record the DL number of the buyer.

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Originally Posted by litewavve

I think that it is reasonable for my own conscience as well as protection against potential civil liabilities to ask to see DL and record the DL number of the buyer.

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I think it is reasonable for my own conscience as well as privacy against potential digressions against me and my family to NOT show DL or have it recorded by the seller. If you want to sell it, do so. If you feel funny, walk away without a sale. Don't compromise me with your own version of BATF, or culivate a communal paperwork mentality on a simple private property transaction as "the norm". I resist. It's un-American.[Rant1]

Happy New Year

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Originally Posted by litewavve

So in a private transaction, one can legally sell a gun to anyone else without checking any ID ? That sounds good if you believe that all unqualified buyers are honest and will not own a gun illegally. The problem with this premise is that most unqualified gun buyers are disqualified because they can not be trusted.

I think that it is reasonable for my own conscience as well as protection against potential civil liabilities to ask to see DL and record the DL number of the buyer.

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That is YOUR conscience. If I have enough powers of discernment to decide for myself whether or not someone is being honest, then thankfully, the law leaves that decision to me.

If someone really is questioning the legality of selling me a gun, I'm not opposed to showing them my license, but that's where it ends.

You're transfering your property to me in exchange for money. Once my personal information starts coming into play as a bargaining chip, the transaction becomes inequitable, and I become disinterested.

And recording my DL number? That's completely ridiculous. Like I said, that's your perogative, but I for one would never do business with you.

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Originally Posted by iamhunter

That is YOUR conscience. If I have enough powers of discernment to decide for myself whether or not someone is being honest, then thankfully, the law leaves that decision to me.

If someone really is questioning the legality of selling me a gun, I'm not opposed to showing them my license, but that's where it ends.

You're transfering your property to me in exchange for money. Once my personal information starts coming into play as a bargaining chip, the transaction becomes inequitable, and I become disinterested.

And recording my DL number? That's completely ridiculous. Like I said, that's your perogative, but I for one would never do business with you.

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+1

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Originally Posted by litewavve

So in a private transaction, one can legally sell a gun to anyone else without checking any ID ? That sounds good if you believe that all unqualified buyers are honest and will not own a gun illegally. The problem with this premise is that most unqualified gun buyers are disqualified because they can not be trusted.

I think that it is reasonable for my own conscience as well as protection against potential civil liabilities to ask to see DL and record the DL number of the buyer.

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I would never give out my DL # to any private party for any reason. I would not be happy about showing my DL but may (depending on my take on you) with my thumb or finger covering the # in order to show proof of residence. In these days of identity theft people must protect as much of their info as possible. My .02

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Originally Posted by iamhunter

That is YOUR conscience. If I have enough powers of discernment to decide for myself whether or not someone is being honest, then thankfully, the law leaves that decision to me.

If someone really is questioning the legality of selling me a gun, I'm not opposed to showing them my license, but that's where it ends.

You're transfering your property to me in exchange for money. Once my personal information starts coming into play as a bargaining chip, the transaction becomes inequitable, and I become disinterested.

And recording my DL number? That's completely ridiculous. Like I said, that's your perogative, but I for one would never do business with you.

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+1000!

I don't mind having to show my driver's license, just as I don't mind having to show it at every store I use plastic with. Writing info down is ridiculous though. What is the logic involved in that? The LESS you know about someone, the LESS likely you are to get into trouble if they do something bad with the new gun that THEY own. Are you picking up what I'm laying down here?

So, I have a question... say you're in a state that requires you to register handguns, serial number, the whole deal. Then you move to a different state and sell the gun where no regulations are needed. That gun ends up being used in a crime, is discarded, and the police pick it up, identify it as belonging to registered owner through FBI/ATF/NCIS, etc, and come knocking on your door. Does that sort of thing happen? If so, do you just say "I sold it"? Isn't it prudent to have something signed at least by the buyer? (Before the flame wars start, I agree the needing of SSN/DL# etc is a little excessive).


And followup... the state requires you to register but nothing else? No need to call them and tell them you sold it, etc... weird. Who makes the laws in the country?! lol (read with sarcasm)

When they show up at your door, you tell them you sold it. Just because you owned something, doesn't make you guilty of the crime. People tend to forget that they still need to put you at the crime scene, slap you with a motive, etc, etc.