Cops said victim said "I've got something for you" before they ventilated him-sounds a bit, fake.
Don't care how much money they pay out for damages...those officers need to be punished if they fucked up- serve time, lose pensions, etc. Guy died, money won't bring him back. If they didn't screw the pooch, better look into their SOP. That's a lot of rounds. Most hits I ever saw on a pt. the cops took out and I got to work on-4. Ouch.
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Originally Posted by trlcavscout
Well that's a quick assumption.
Take off the tin foil hats for a second people. Jesus. They may have messed up and I am not going to back them if they did, but I know that none of us were there to know what happened. Stop watching so many movies, when the raid is supposed to be announced I am sure that it was.
At least the cops made it home safely [Pot]
Sorry, I meant Way to go coppers it took 10 of you and 71 bullets to kill a guy that never fired on you [Beer] Maybe they were all ex black water?Quote:
Originally Posted by KevDen2005
Looks like Tucson SWAT was trying to get a little Bin Laden mission of their own.
Well I wasn't there, I am not defending those officers. On the other hand I am not going to fry them before I know the entire story. I know everyone thinks that because they are cops that there will be a big cover-up. I would definitely have to disagree and I think the other cops on here would agree that when you mess up in this job then you will pay the price and many times a completely unfair price.Quote:
Originally Posted by trlcavscout
I am not even going to go into detail about comments like them wetting themselves are most likely not accurate, especially for SWAT teams from places like Tuscon.
Sounds kinda like this case...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_o...les_de_Menezes
The primary problem isn't the officers (hell, they buy into the notion that they're all superheroes defending society from the bad guys too ... which sometimes they actually are) the problem is with the policies that allow for this Rambo type crap in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tor Larson
Again, unless there are lives in danger, hostages or an active shooter there is simply no place for SWAT in most of police work. If you think a guy is that dangerous, you follow him and take him down when he's away from his "fortress" and "arsenal" you don't run in guns blazing like you're bloody SEAL Team 6.
While this over use of SWAT doesn't violate the letter of Posse Comitatus, it clearly violates the spirit (at least the way its used today).
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Originally Posted by Zundfolge
Posse Comitatus:
Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army or the Air Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.
There is no letter or spirit within this law concerning accredited law enforcement officers conducting law enforcement activities, period. This law is in it's entirety concerning the use of military personnel to enforce civilian law. The inference that the equipment or tactics they use constitutes the equivalence of military force is a very dangerous position to take. It directly relates back to controlling firearms or gear based on it's military affiliation.
Basically, you just made the same arguement that all the anti's make about black guns, only you made it in relation to LE instead of civilians. Bravo.
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Originally Posted by Zundfolge
You really can't be serious with the "overuse of SWAT." Only two agencies in this state have a full time SWAT team, meaning that in situations where SWAT is needed they have to be called up, which usually means that they aren't going to handle whatever issue is happening, especially if it is rapidly evolving.
Sometimes the person is not leaving their "fortress" so he has to be arrested in his house. Most of these decisions are not fly be the seat of your pants style decisions. Almost all the cases where SWAT is used in my area, several days of planning goes into it.
Since I know lots of cops I will go ahead and destroy your opinion that they all think they are heroes. The majority are there to do their job during their work day and go home in one piece. There are a few, correct, but the majority are just trying to get through the work day with crappy bosses like the rest of the world.
And there are ALWAYS lives in danger...the second everyone stops thinking that way the more innocent people get hurt (Again, I am not defending the original SWAT raid that this topic started on, I don't know enough about it, I am speaking generally).