What would you do?

Given your first post I would have to tell you sadly that there isn't much LE could do about it. Depending on your jurisdiction, you could call for a Civil Standby for LEO's to go with you to know on his door just to talk to him about it. However, since you both are claiming the rifle/money, you gave it to him willingly along with the scope, and you never had a set of contract of when to pay back, etc, then this situation is what we call civil. You could always talk to a lawyer or contact the Sheriff's Office in your county and ask to speak to someone from the Civil Division. Depending on how much money you gave him and how much the scope is worth, it may be much cheaper to let it go, however, I am the type of person that hates that just because it sends the message that that's okay.

Sometimes it is OK to "use" the system.
It doesn't cost....that.....much.
Your word against his IS what the courts are for.
Make your case, show what the rifle/scope is worth, tell the judge what he paid you, and agreed to. You might be pleasantly surprised with the outcome, you may not.

http://www.courts.state.co.us/userfi...les%281%29.pdf

Take it to Judge Judy!

Answer is simple, send your buddy a link to this thread. Seriously.

You could always say Hey forget the cash I need to barrow your car/truck for a couple hours.

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Originally Posted by CrufflerSteve

You could make some sort of attempt to get a payment plan out of him and if he won't write him off as a lowlife scumbag mooch. Legal attempts to get it back are going to cost you money, time and aggravation. Other methods can end badly.

If the paperwork for the gun is in his name, sorry.

Steve

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I would, and I told him I'd be willing to just take payments on it, but since he won't communicate with me I can't set that up.
No paperwork for the gun... bought it private party (here on COAR actually) with no bill of sale, although there's electronic records of communication between myself and the seller...

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Originally Posted by sandman76

I see that you want your money. If he is still someone you consider a friend maybe you could have a range session with him. Theres a chance he doesn't even have the rifle anymore. Be good to find that out.

If there is no action on his part to keep the friendship going then it would probably be best to write off the of the money and the friend. Fighting ovber a few hundred bucks just ain't worth it. JMO.

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Oh I know he still has the rifle. He took a friend shooting a couple weeks ago and she said she saw it in his truck just the other day.
I'm not mad about a few hundred bucks. If he'd just communicate with me and let me know if/when/how he wants to take care of things, and maybe not go throwing money around out on the town every other day, I wouldn't care if he had $1000 of my money.

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Originally Posted by hip55

I would just ask him directly if he plans to pay you back the money and return your scope.

If he says yes, then ask him when he plans to do this.

If he says no, tell him to go eat his mother's biscuits and wash your hands of him.

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Again, he won't communicate with me. I may as well be trying to have a conversation with my boot.

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Originally Posted by Zundfolge

I'm not sure what you're trying to salvage ... his friendship isn't worth anything since he screwed you over a few bucks ... and you're probably not going to see the money back even with some effort.

It sucks but it is what it is.

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I'm not trying to salvage anything. After this, combined with some of the other shit he's pulled in recent months, I'm just about done with this guy... I have no interest in trying to salvage any kind of a friendship here. But we have quite a few mutual friends (read: almost everybody we're friends with) and I'm not about to let him walk all over me and show everybody that I'll just sit back and let it happen.

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Originally Posted by KevDen2005

Given your first post I would have to tell you sadly that there isn't much LE could do about it. Depending on your jurisdiction, you could call for a Civil Standby for LEO's to go with you to know on his door just to talk to him about it. However, since you both are claiming the rifle/money, you gave it to him willingly along with the scope, and you never had a set of contract of when to pay back, etc, then this situation is what we call civil. You could always talk to a lawyer or contact the Sheriff's Office in your county and ask to speak to someone from the Civil Division. Depending on how much money you gave him and how much the scope is worth, it may be much cheaper to let it go, however, I am the type of person that hates that just because it sends the message that that's okay.

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Yeah, that's what I was afraid of. Other than claiming it as stolen property, I really have no interest in getting authorities involved... I see that as letting someone else handle my problems, and I'm one of those guys that likes to take out my own trash (not in the Don Corleone way lol).
And yeah, you pretty much nailed it in the last sentence.
Thanks for the input [Beer]

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Originally Posted by pickenup

Your word against his IS what the courts are for.

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IMO, courts are (should be) for putting a man in front of a jury of his peers and deciding whether he is innocent or guilty of a particular crime. Not for a really expensive counseling session between two idiots that can't handle their own shit.

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Originally Posted by waxthis

Answer is simple, send your buddy a link to this thread. Seriously.

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What, so he can see a bunch of people saying to just write it off and think he's gonna make off with this scott-free? So he's tempted to make an account and start running his mouth on here, and then we have a less than trustworthy character running around the site? I don't see what that'd accomplish.

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Originally Posted by Mtn.man

You could always say Hey forget the cash I need to barrow your car/truck for a couple hours.

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If only he would communicate with me. Oh, yeah, he's got no insurance on his truck.... can't afford it or something [Shake]

Since you have so many mutual friends and he won't communicate with you, get one of them you trust to let you know the next time they go out together. Meet them there and confront him on the issue, publicly. If nothing else, it'll embarrass the shit out of him and show to all present what a louse he is.

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Originally Posted by mcantar18c

I would, and I told him I'd be willing to just take payments on it, but since he won't communicate with me I can't set that up.
No paperwork for the gun... bought it private party (here on COAR actually) with no bill of sale, although there's electronic records of communication between myself and the seller...




Oh I know he still has the rifle. He took a friend shooting a couple weeks ago and she said she saw it in his truck just the other day.
I'm not mad about a few hundred bucks. If he'd just communicate with me and let me know if/when/how he wants to take care of things, and maybe not go throwing money around out on the town every other day, I wouldn't care if he had $1000 of my money.




Again, he won't communicate with me. I may as well be trying to have a conversation with my boot.




I'm not trying to salvage anything. After this, combined with some of the other shit he's pulled in recent months, I'm just about done with this guy... I have no interest in trying to salvage any kind of a friendship here. But we have quite a few mutual friends (read: almost everybody we're friends with) and I'm not about to let him walk all over me and show everybody that I'll just sit back and let it happen.




Yeah, that's what I was afraid of. Other than claiming it as stolen property, I really have no interest in getting authorities involved... I see that as letting someone else handle my problems, and I'm one of those guys that likes to take out my own trash (not in the Don Corleone way lol).
And yeah, you pretty much nailed it in the last sentence.
Thanks for the input [Beer]




IMO, courts are (should be) for putting a man in front of a jury of his peers and deciding whether he is innocent or guilty of a particular crime. Not for a really expensive counseling session between two idiots that can't handle their own shit.




What, so he can see a bunch of people saying to just write it off and think he's gonna make off with this scott-free? So he's tempted to make an account and start running his mouth on here, and then we have a less than trustworthy character running around the site? I don't see what that'd accomplish.




If only he would communicate with me. Oh, yeah, he's got no insurance on his truck.... can't afford it or something [Shake]

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"What, so he can see a bunch of people saying to just write it off and think he's gonna make off with this scott-free? So he's tempted to make an account and start running his mouth on here, and then we have a less than trustworthy character running around the site? I don't see what that'd accomplish."

Perhaps all this info might hit is conscience and he will pay-up, if not, then live and learn and move on. Sux I know.

You say that there has been some communication via text messaging. If he implied that he did owe you the money and said that he needs time then there's your proof that he owes you money.

Text messages can and are used as evidence in court.

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Originally Posted by mcantar18c

....No paperwork for the gun... bought it private party (here on COAR actually) with no bill of sale, although there's electronic records of communication between myself and the seller...

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This shows you as the owner... should be all you need...