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08-17-2011, 19:46
Colorado_Outback

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Originally Posted by tactuppernut

Look at the big brain on Brad!

Excellent Pulp Fiction reference!
08-17-2011, 20:49
tactuppernut

Everybody, I do apologize. I have in fact supplied incorrect legal information I attained from various sources online in 2007, as well as from the person who issued my c/c certification last year. I will elaborate:

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Originally Posted by tactuppernut

Something is being overlooked here. We all have loved ones and extended family making these transactions as well. Not only is my chamber hot during the numerous CL transactions I've made previous to this, I insist upon "tagging along" with all other family transactor's potential deals as well, especially when larger $$ transactions may occur (cars, boy toys and so on). Gone so far as taking separate vehicles and lurking in the shadows before.
In regards to weapons in cars, CO dictates one loaded and concealed sidearm per vehicle-PDF linked to CO State Patrol website, now gone. Current info. is not PDF link, but on site, and DOES NOT EVEN SPECIFY HANDGUN CURRENTLY (only firearm)http://www.colorado.gov/cs/Satellite.../1251594549010. An empty auto with a separately stored loaded mag. IS considered loaded-this I told by above mentioned instructor, and is untrue, chamber loaded correct. No loaded rifles', scatterguns or bazooka's-though apparently true,you wouldn't know it from reading above CSP link. Here's something interesting, I cannot find any code that addresses' revolver speed loaders, I.E., it seems to be even though an empty auto with a charged mag. inside of vehicle is considered to be a loaded weapon, an empty revolver with charged speed loader is not. Anybody know for sure?-already addressed, but raises new question. Is it considered loaded if hammers down on empty chamber, but rest are loaded?
Last thing, each local governing municipalities' are different. Laws in certain municipalities have been passed further restricting loaded sidearms inside of vehicles. City of Denver is the 1st that comes to mind-apparently outdated? even printed this link out in '07, whereas, at the time, it prohibited loaded weapons in Denver, but not Aurora. Now it's the opposite(#7)http://www.coloradoceasefire.org/munilaws.htm, where any loaded weapon inside of a vehicle is illegal (class 3 felony)-instructor(it is a misdemeanor) without a c/c permit. Charges are even more stringent within 500 feet of schools, various municipal buildings and so on-instructor. Most of us would look like doughnuts on legs by the we'd be paroled. No craigslist transactions in the city of Denver for me!
Did anybody know CO c/c permits are good in something like 18 other states? There's a list somewhere in cyberspace.-found a map(in '07 there were fewer)http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/colorado.pdf
Did anybody know an Arizona drivers' license is good for 40 years and doubles as an AR c/c permit?-haven't check on that in a year,may have also changed. If it wasn't so ^&%&^$^% hot, I'd move there and save a few bucks(lived there between May-Oct 1 summer season,*&^*&% sucked ass!).
Lastly, I can't %&^$%$%^$ believe that stupid-ass pinhead retard wound commit multiple felonies over an IPhone, my vote is already cast for this years Darwin's award!!-as being an opinion, I stand by it!

I have searched the Co.gov website,CO ATF website, the CSP website, and every search engine I know for a link to Colorado's complete firearms' code section, along with Denver/Aurora, and can't find anything. Can somebody shoot me a link, or thread it here? Couldn't locate in '07 either. If I had, I wouldn't be blushing now.

I thank all involved for correcting me. I promise never to dictate legal code again without 1st currently researching through only proper channels.
I now must dig a hole to stick my head in.[Bang][Roll1][Dunno][Hang]
08-17-2011, 20:51
tactuppernut

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Originally Posted by Colorado_Outback

Excellent Pulp Fiction reference!

Thanks, but I owe an apology to TFOGGER for that too, Sorry.
08-18-2011, 05:08
Bailey Guns

OK...fair enough.

But just to be clear, there's no restrictions in any municipality against having a handgun (loaded or unloaded, visible or concealed) in your vehicle, anywhere in the state. This is regulated by state statute and, as already mentioned, has been challenged in court and upheld.

Now, you can check this out:

33-6-125. Possession of a loaded firearm in a motor vehicle.

Now, I have to be honest. I don't think there is any definition for "loaded" vs "unloaded" in Title 18 (the criminal code). It's been a while, so I may have forgotten where to look.
08-18-2011, 06:45
alxone

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Originally Posted by tactuppernut

NICE!!!

the funny thing is , i do have a bazooka [Flower]
08-18-2011, 08:48
TFOGGER

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Originally Posted by tactuppernut

Thanks, but I owe an apology to TFOGGER for that too, Sorry.

No worries [Beer]

Best info on current laws : Colorado Revised Statutes

also :http://www.handgunlaw.us/ and www.usacarry.com
08-18-2011, 09:07
Lex_Luthor

This is what I found:

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18-12-204. Permit Contents - Validity - Carrying Requirements.
(3) (a) a person who may lawfully possess a handgun may carry a handgun under the following circumstances without obtaining a permit and the handgun shall not be considered concealed: (I) the handgun is in the possession of a person who is in a private automobile or in some other private means of conveyance and who carries the handgun for a legal use, including self-defense.

But does this mean that you have to be IN your car when acting in self-defense? Like ONLY if someone tried to carjack you at gunpoint? Or what if you were doing a Craigslist transaction like this guy was, in the general vicinity of your vehicle (not highlighted in the story, this is the hypothetical part), and just MAYBE you had the chance to pull your weapon out of your vehicle and use it to save your own life?
08-19-2011, 00:45
cysoto

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Originally Posted by al-x

But does this mean that you have to be IN your car when acting in self-defense? Like ONLY if someone tried to carjack you at gunpoint? Or what if you were doing a Craigslist transaction like this guy was, in the general vicinity of your vehicle (not highlighted in the story, this is the hypothetical part), and just MAYBE you had the chance to pull your weapon out of your vehicle and use it to save your own life?

That is precisely what I was hinting at on post no. 15... To the best of my knowledge, this law has never been brought up in a Colorado Court of Law and therefore there is no case law to fully answer your question.

If we adhere to the letter of the law, a person who is exercising his right to self-defense, needs to be within the confines of the vehicle. Again, the definition of what are the confines of your vehicle has never been challenged in Colorado but there is case law in our neighboring state of New Mexico where a judge ruled that, (and I am paraphrasing) "as long as you are within arms reach of your vehicle, you are considered to be 'in' your vehicle". This, of course, has absolutely no legal ramifications in our state but it could be used by the defense team to validate their defense. Whether a judge will side with them or not, is yet to be seen...

Is it confusing enough for you yet?!? [Muaha]
08-19-2011, 00:57
Irving

In order to stay within the law, your gun needs to stay inside your vehicle while carrying without a permit.

If you had to run to your car and get a gun to protect yourself, once the gun is out, it's not concealed anymore, and I can't see how it would matter if you have a CCW or not. However, once you get to the point of having a gun in your HAND, then things change. So, assuming there was some crazy scenario where you are able to run to your vehicle, dig around for your gun, then emerge again from your vehicle, ALL ON THE DEFENSIVE, then I'm not sure if it matters if you have a CCW or not. At that point you are brandishing and not carrying anyway. Clear as mud?
08-24-2011, 06:02
alxone

damn its all kinda dizzying , i guess ill keep the bazooka empty when i have a loaded gun in the car

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