Another Border Agent killed

My wife is from China. She came here as part of a DU sponsored program for Chinese students which was extremely competitive and she worked very hard to come here just for an education. She is now a US Citizen, and we did it all 100% legally. I have zero sympathy for wetbacks or other illegals. Mexico is a problem because they literally just walk or drive across the border, and the .gov could care less.

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Originally Posted by Canuckistani

I don't think the immigration process is the problem here. Border security & the flood of illegal immigrants who create a burden on the American system is.

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I contend that it is both. One exacerbates the other. The former is easy to fix; the latter has proven to be damn near impossible to prevent.

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Originally Posted by Teufelhund

Good question. Knowing what I have, I would gladly pay that amount and more. I don't think it's always a question of what someone is willing to do as it is what they are capable of doing. If someone is penniless coming here, should they be denied the opportunities you and I have?

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I don't think many of us can conceive of the life conditions that would drive someone to undertake the chances to cross the border that these poor people do. I've seen folks living in houses made of sticks in villages in Honduras with poor sanitation and unsafe water. Hell yeah I'd sneak across the border to take a chance on my kids living to grow up, and to have something better than that kind of existence.

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Originally Posted by Ridge

ARFCOM is full of 250lb operators that couldn't complete an IPSC course without stopping for a breather. Unless they can do the shooting from a remote terminal in their bathroom, they won't be getting it done.

And it is against the Constitution for the military to be armed and mobilized within our borders. And the police don't have the funding to respond to calls in the cities. How the hell are they going to watch thousands of square miles of featureless desert?

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Still farmers who have their land, you know there a ton of people out there who would be willing to help "defend our borders" by sitting in an elevated stand and waiting for the "invaders" to cross the magic line. even the 250 lb high speed low drag operators.

with the money saved from entitlement and health care programs the police could easily get more funding while the deficit would be cut as well. New technology with sensors could be paid for to increase the amount of area covered. more border patrol agents could be hired. More American jobs created.

More openings for people who want to come over legally and job placements available to them.

Let me be very clear, I am all for people coming into our country to live the American Dream. I've met lots of them, I work with them, some of them I consider my friends. All I ask is that it is done through the process our elected officials and our government have established. Just as I am asked to pay my taxes, show my ID for pretty much everything, pay into the benefit programs that were designed to truly help people in a time of need...NOT as a way of life.

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Originally Posted by Teufelhund

Good question. Knowing what I have, I would gladly pay that amount and more. I don't think it's always a question of what someone is willing to do as it is what they are capable of doing. If someone is penniless coming here, should they be denied the opportunities you and I have?

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There HAS to be a cost associated. We can't just let people come over willy-nilly for nothing. People have jobs who have to get paid to do the paperwork, do the tests, check backgrounds etc etc. As I said in my previous post, I am all for people coming over the right way, but I also don't believe my tax dollars need to be used to pay for hundreds of thousands if not millions of applications to be gone through.
I have to pay to use the legal system, even for small claims. They want to come over for citizenship, it is going to cost them.

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Originally Posted by dwalker460

My wife is from China. She came here as part of a DU sponsored program for Chinese students which was extremely competitive and she worked very hard to come here just for an education. She is now a US Citizen, and we did it all 100% legally. I have zero sympathy for wetbacks or other illegals. Mexico is a problem because they literally just walk or drive across the border, and the .gov could care less.

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Wetbacks?? Really?

Oh my bad.. I forgot the PC term is "undocumented person".

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Originally Posted by dwalker460

Oh my bad.. I forgot the PC term is "undocumented person".

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Actually, I prefer 'snowback', thank you very much. [Tooth]

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Originally Posted by Canuckistani

Uhhh, newsflash, but there are "multiple, relatively simple paths to citizenship for non-violent criminals". I know, because I'm an immigrant. They're called visas, and there's lots of them in place already.

I came here 100% legally - followed all the steps to process, did the interviews, paid my dues, and followed the damned rules to gain the privilege to live here, unlike these river-swimming criminals that bring their entire families over to live off the government tit. Guess who pays for them? The fine, law-abiding citizens & residents of this country.

As a legal immigrant to this fantastic country, nothing pisses me off more than those who choose to circumvent the laws which are already in place for immigration control. I did it legally, why the hell can't they?

Am I for "sealing the borders"? Abso-f*cking-lutely.

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Originally Posted by dwalker460

Oh my bad.. I forgot the PC term is "undocumented person".

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Careful- I watched a clip on Bill O'Reilly the other day that had some societal pawn scum who needed to be retroactively aborted stating that her and her cause want to eliminate the term "Illegal Alien" because it's "racist." Ol' Bill just said- No racism, it's the truth, that's what they are!