How much damage from Obamacare?

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Originally Posted by spqrzilla

Meanwhile, the Obama administration is blaming the states when in fact they can't get their own act together.
HHS had a deadline of this October for states to announce whether they would set up exchanges but HHS had not even announced the regulations on what the policies offered in the exchanges had to contain - because they were hiding it from voters.
http://hotair.com/archives/2012/11/2...are-exchanges/

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I wrote the above in November of 2012. Look how prescient I was.

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Originally Posted by davsel

So, my new Tricare Prime rate notification came in.

My retired rate increases 600% on 01 November.

Check your statements, brothers.

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I went Tricare Standard precisely because I don't want my healthcare ruled by a government "Primary Care Monitor". I haven't been back to the base for healthcare since my examination for an ankle injury suffered during terminal leave (which the VA disallowed because the first appointment Tricare could give me was a week past my official retirement date).

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- what happens when companies intentionally cap their full time employees at 49?

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I know how one company is doing it. Friend owns a large machine shop. They just spun the anodizing and heat treating part into another company. Built a wall in the building and presto 2 company's. 40 on one side and 18 on the other. [Flower]

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Originally Posted by jim

I was told by my nurse, 1 major player in the NoCo area will see an easy 50% retirement of Dr & Surgeons, by end of 2013, early 14. She is currently retraining for another career outside the medical field.

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Or joining ACOs. If I were a physician and could retire, I would.
If not, I'd join all the other groups banding together or try to get myself "bought" by an ACO.

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Originally Posted by tmckay2

most of my in laws are canadian. to be honest i think people are overreacting about obama care. i hate it as much as anyone but i don't think it is going to cripple the country. canada has an even worse system and they're fine. its not a good system but it doesn't cause the country to implode. i think you are going to see higher health care costs, less doctors, more patients, longer wait times, and a small affect on the economy. business owners aren't just going to lay tons of people off on a grand scale. it will happen a little bit but not like people think.

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Canadians don't have nearly the dead weight we have. $0.02

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Originally Posted by Jeffrey Lebowski

Canadians don't have nearly the dead weight we have. $0.02

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Canada also requires they balance their budget so they HAVE to be somewhat realistic about their funding. Then again, Canada doesn't pretend to be the world's superpower and policeman so they depend on OUR national security expenditures to protect them (they develop very little equipment natively and expect we will be there for anything big).

Sorry tmckay2 but Ocare is going to be a massive drag on the economy for years to come and it WILL cause our national finances to implode. Expect wait times of 6-9 months to see a doctor for cancer diagnosis and treatment (but of course abortions and condoms will be available immediately on demand).

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Originally Posted by tmckay2

I think you are going to see higher health care costs, less doctors, more patients, longer wait times, and a small affect on the economy.

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How/why is this even remotely okay or acceptable?

[QUOTE=hurley842002;1386565]How/why is this even remotely okay or acceptable?[/QUOTE]

Because 50% of America want's it, Voted for it (election 2012) and will do any and everything to maintain their entitlements. You want me to do what?? Of course they will be some of the hardest hit.

I still think that once everyone finds out how bad it really is, that it'll get tossed out on its ass. I'm hoping it will be Obama's Waterloo, Watergate, and intern under the desk all rolled into one.

Megyn Kelly was talking about this last night- I missed the show, but caught a recap in a Blaze article. An anticipated 14M American's insurance will be cancelled by the end of term because they're "illegal under the ACA." And yet Oblahblah said himself "If you like your insurance company you can keep them, period." Note, he said "Period" no "asterisk."

Allow me to place some tin foil on the top of my head for a moment- I think the dems want Obamacare to fail, miserably, so that people demand the government do something, and like Pelosi stated "This is just a stepping stone to [socialized healthcare]." Boom, we're just like the UK and Canada with single payer, socialized healthcare... and all the exorbitant taxes that go with it. Batten down the hatches boys, it's going to be rough seas from here on out.

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Originally Posted by Ronin13

Allow me to place some tin foil on the top of my head for a moment- I think the dems want Obamacare to fail, miserably, so that people demand the government do something, and like Pelosi stated "This is just a stepping stone to [socialized healthcare]." Boom, we're just like the UK and Canada with single payer, socialized healthcare... and all the exorbitant taxes that go with it. Batten down the hatches boys, it's going to be rough seas from here on out.

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This is absolutely the plan for Obamacare and Obama himself said it (along with many other prominent Demonrats).

One of the reasons why socialized medicine hasn't destroyed Canada and the UK is that 1) they have a combined population less than a third of the US 2) the US has long subsidized their defense (and probably many other aspects of their governance) and 3) When Canuks and Limeys need medical care and they can't get it in their own socialized system they come here.

So all three nations will likely collapse under the weight of Obamacare.


Really folks, the economic effects of Obamacare will likely be devastating ... but they're going to be nothing compared to the loss of life and liberty that is coming as a result.