Watched a friend do sub MOA with 68gr SMK handloads in a Wilson. Ragged holes @ 100yds with a 10x optic.
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Watched a friend do sub MOA with 68gr SMK handloads in a Wilson. Ragged holes @ 100yds with a 10x optic.
My thought was that if it did end up providing some benefit, it only takes a few seconds to adjust the gas and I could just turn it off if the need arose. Was more of a curiosity point than anything really...Quote:
Originally Posted by Gman
My LWRC REPR (308) shoots Sub MOA with 168 & 175 grain rounds. I have had it shoot just under 1/2 MOA in a 5 shot group before at the indoor range.
This will beat many bolt guns... http://www.lesbaer.com/223varmint.html
Their 308 semis have the sameQuote:
We'll guarantee that our Super Varmint Model will shoot 1/2 MOA groups!
I'm not convinced there's any practical difference in accuracy between an off-the-rack AR and an off-the-rack bolt gun. Maybe for a very small percentage of really good shooters...but for the average/above average shooter? Probably negligible.
Most guns are far more capable than most shooters.
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Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
Unless we are talking high ends like an AI, McMillan, etc. I would say your average bolt gun is a 1 moa rifle, and a quality AR should be close.
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Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
MOA or sub-moa AR's at 100 yard are not necessarily still moa guns when you stretch them out to 500-600 yards either. If all you want is good groups at 100 yard then its a pretty easy recipe. At 800 yards and beyond things change dramatically.
Depends on the AR. My Sabre, 1:7 CL medium-contour barrel will put almost any 68-69gr Black Hills round into MOA-ish, and 2 MOA with PMC 55gr .223.
My old just-as-good-as-a-Colt Bushmaster sucked so badly, I could throw the damn thing down the stairs and miss the basement floor. (It also was a bolt-action, mostly because of the fine stake job on the gas key.)
My Colt 6721(?) converted-into-an-SPR (before I got it) with a 1-9" 16" barrel shoots close to MOA out to 400 yards, and 1.5 out to at least 600. I was going to rebarrel it to make it a proper SPR but it shoots so darn good I just couldn't make myself do it; I'd take it out and ring a 6" steel target all day at 400 yards, with white box winchester 5.56. Now, you take my Colt HBAR Match Target pre-ban 1/7" with freefloat tube and 1/4 minute sights and it most definitely will NOT do this with this ammo. Not quite on subject; but I had a Korean-era M1 Garand from the CMP that shot MOA at 300 yards with Greek surplus ammo too. There are some kick-butt semi-autos out there, and not all of them are high dollar pieces. Sometimes you just get lucky.Quote:
Originally Posted by centrarchidae