CONDITION GREEN: Prepare for extra annoyance this weekend in CO

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Originally Posted by Bailey Guns

If you want to argue on a state's rights level, that's one thing. But it appears Hound is attempting to make the stretch to a US Constitutional level...even though he's loosely quoting from the Declaration of Independence.

On the state level, fine. People in CO now have the right to enjoy a little weed. It's still illegal federally just like some things having to do with gun rights are illegal. I may not like it or agree with it. The "pursuit of happiness" no more gives anyone the "right" to smoke weed in violation of federal law than it gives someone the "right" to engage in pedophilia.

Again, whether you or I like it or not, the law of the land (federally) recognizes that not only are rights not absolute, but the federal gov't has some authority over what goes on in the states. A lot more than I agree with, I might add. But, I'm not in charge and I don't get to make the rules. So I have to live with it or attempt to change it within the system.

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You can face palm all you want. I don't believe in demanding your rights while saying it is ok to deny them to another group. In the 1800's you had the 'Right' to buy anything you wanted including Cocain, Pot or any other drug that floated your boat. Where do you think 'Coke' got its name from? This was the same as with all the guns at the time. Then, along with alcohol, the Government came along and started having an opion on this to the point of creating an Amendment baning Alcohol and heavily regulating drugs. They were really on a tare to regulate everything, including guns. There is a connection. You just like your side while feeling it is ok to crap on the other because it does not affect you. That sounds like a lot of what I heard in those Senate hearings. "I am a hunter and only need 3 bullets so I support the magazine ban", "I don't have a gun so ban them all" It's not right. We should always support the right of a group (any group) unless it is truly against the common good and that bar should be VERY high. Remember that what is at the bottom of every gun bill currently passed:

"Safety clause. The general assembly hereby finds, determines, and declares that this act is necessary for the immediate preservation of the public peace, health, and safety." And its BS!

My way of thinking is stay out of my business unless I am affecting my nieghbor and even then I better really be causing a problem. Pot is no different from Alchohol. Tax it but leave them alone. You should even support it in the name of all of our rights. This is especially true when it is not hurting others.

I'm not denying rights to any group. But to argue that smoking weed and the 2A are in the same league on a US Constitutional level is foolhardy. I'm also not arguing that the federal gov't hasn't egregiously usurped authority from the states. Doesn't change the fact that we don't live in the 1800s and smoking weed, whether you and I like it or not, is illegal on the federal level, it's not a "right" on the federal level, and that's the law of the land as it now stands. You don't have to like it, I don't have to like it. But we both have to live with it or change it within the system. Your other option is to disregard federal law and potentially face the consequences. You'll have every "right" at trial to argue the federal gov't doesn't have the authority to enforce anti-marijuana laws. Good luck with that. Fortunately for a lot of pot-smokers, the feds really aren't interested in Joe Citizen who smokes a little weed.

To have strong convictions in terms of limiting federal powers is an admirable thing. I'm all for giving power back to the states and to the people where it belongs. But I'm also a realist which means I'm also pragmatic when it comes to recognizing the realities within which we live. And that's the problem with libertarians. They live in a fantasy world of how things should be instead of how things are.

Just like the people spoke in Colorado re: legalizing marijuana, they've also spoken in terms of gun laws. As far as I know, the representatives and senators who wrote and passed these laws, were elected legally by a majority of people in their districts. As much as I dislike it it's pretty easy for the other side to argue it was done within the system we have and according to how our legislative process works. I, and you, have every right to work within the system to oust those lawmakers who supported the anti-gun laws and vote others in who will change them.

And I'm as conservative as they get on this forum...especially when it comes to individual liberties. But you can't argue that one group that gets their way through the legislative process is right but another that gets their way through the legislative process is wrong, and I'm not trying to do that. Just like the anti-smoking laws. I don't smoke, never have. But I recognize an assault on freedom and liberty when I see it and I'm entirely against the anti-smoking legislation and laws. I was also against Amend 64...only because I felt it didn't belong as an amendment to the state constitution. Legalize smoking pot all you want but not through a constitutional amendment.

The 2A guarantees your right and mine to possess firearms. There is nothing anywhere in the Constitution that allows you to make the same specific argument about smoking marijuana. Obviously you could argue that the powers not specifically granted to the federal gov't are reserved for the people (and the states). But at this point the federal gov't has decided it does have the power to regulate drugs and alcohol and to this point, no one has been successful in arguing that they don't...with perhaps the exception being the 18th/21st Amendments.

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Originally Posted by jim

just like st paddy's day, only with less violence.

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No shit. This was my first thought too.

For me this has more to do with the "law" Open container on St. Paddy's day? You bet your ass you will get a ticket for it. Smoking pot in public which is NOT legal yet.. No tickets will be handed out. Even for those with an MMJ card, smoking in public is not allowed. So again, not legal. I am also pretty sure that everyone that is buying and selling weed at this event will not be arrested. Selling beer or liquor without a permit.. Even handing it out for free on public property where it is not allowed. Youbetcha, your ass is going to jail. If this were a liquor event, you would have to show ID proving you are of legal age. Do you think they will have this set up for the dopefest to make sure the smokers are of legal age? Or if they have an MMJ card? Nope. The hippies are above the law at this point.
Like, hate or neutral on the mj laws, they are laws with rules that need to be followed. This gathering will pretty much show Joe Public that they can do whatever they want without penalty.

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Originally Posted by colorider

For me this has more to do with the "law" Open container on St. Paddy's day? You bet your ass you will get a ticket for it. Smoking pot in public which is NOT legal yet.. No tickets will be handed out. Even for those with an MMJ card, smoking in public is not allowed. So again, not legal. I am also pretty sure that everyone that is buying and selling weed at this event will not be arrested. Selling beer or liquor without a permit.. Even handing it out for free on public property where it is not allowed. Youbetcha, your ass is going to jail. If this were a liquor event, you would have to show ID proving you are of legal age. Do you think they will have this set up for the dopefest to make sure the smokers are of legal age? Or if they have an MMJ card? Nope. The hippies are above the law at this point.
Like, hate or neutral on the mj laws, they are laws with rules that need to be followed. This gathering will pretty much show Joe Public that they can do whatever they want without penalty.

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THIS!

So the way I see it is that if we get enough gun owners to convene peacefully in a public location, we should be able to trade and sell between ourselves, too. Right? HB 1229 be damned? It's not even a federal law like weed....

If you're going downtown this weekend...
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Originally Posted by Sawin

So the way I see it is that if we get enough gun owners to convene peacefully in a public location, we should be able to trade and sell between ourselves, too. Right? HB 1229 be damned? It's not even a federal law like weed....

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I like this!

How about a 30rd magazine swap and greet after July ? I'm sure they would embrace that with open arms. Sure as shit they would have the swat teams out arresting everyone partaking in " illegal arms trading ".
God forbid you enforce laws against people partaking in illegal drug selling, using. Dipshits.